Heartache (8x3)

Berly and LA recap the season eight Supernatural episode, Heartache. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy!  CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞

Summary: In episode 3 of season 8 of "Supernatural," titled "Heartache," the Winchesters investigate a series of murders where hearts are ripped out. They discover the culprit is Randa, who has received Brick Holmes' heart, a famous football player who lived over 90 years by sacrificing others to the Mayan god Cacao. Randa's transformation is revealed when she eats Chick's heart, gaining superhuman strength. The Winchesters defeat Randa and her henchmen, but Sam decides to quit after they complete their mission, reflecting on a happier time with his girlfriend Amelia. The episode was written by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leung and directed by Jensen Ackles.

Resources:

• https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Heartache
• https://delval.edu/blog/hun-hunahpu-mayan-maize-god
• https://earthstoriez.com/mexico-cacao-in-popl-vuh

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Berly: 0:01

HOST, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy Exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode,

LA: 0:10

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their

Berly: 0:16

adventures. I'm Burley and I'm a new fan of the series.

LA: 0:20

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's

Berly: 0:26

get Tipsy. Hello, LA, hey, Burley. On our last episode, we talked about what's up Tiger mommy. In that episode, Kevin told Sam and Dan that he was worried about his mom and he wanted to go check her out. Well, not check her out. Check on, check on her. Guest Star, Lauren Tom played Linda Tran Kevin's mom. When they arrive, they see there's a bunch of demons there, but they knock them out, and then they take her with them to an auction to try and get the tablet. And chaos ensues. And by the end of the episode, Kevin and Linda, they Audi, they took off. They said, Fuck this nonsense. They did. LA is on recap today,

LA: 1:15

I am all right. Well, today's episode is titled heartache. It's the third episode of season eight, and it aired on October 17, 2012 we're in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and there's a kind of a young fit guy jogging along a wooded trail. I guess you would say,

Berly: 1:36

Hey, I totally have to say, whenever it showed him jogging, and then that dude rip out his heart. I was like, oh, Doc, bitten is back? You remember that character, Doc bitten, where he was stealing people's body parts so that he could stay immortal. What season was? Oh, yeah. I was like, he's, he survived. He got out of the refrigerator, and he's back. And he's, he's got this super strong man ripping out hearts for him. For some reason, I don't know, I connected some dots that were not there nice. But also, how jealous were you of this, of these men that are like, just getting jogging at night, like no, no fear,

LA: 2:12

right? That would be nice. I was even a couple days ago. It was like, dark out, and it felt so good. And I was thinking, be nice to go take a walk right now, but God knows I shouldn't do that. So he's jogging along, and then all of a sudden, there's like a heftier guy will say, that comes up behind him, and then he just smokes him. He runs up, like I thought he was gonna run up on him and do something right then and there, but no, he just runs up, kind of stays next to him and then takes off. It was impressive. I thought, wow. That's Wow. Good for him, right? Even the younger fit guy kind of looked confused. The young guy comes up, the guy stopped farther up the trail, and he runs up to him, and I think, doesn't he, like, congratulate him or something about how he, like, passed him,

Berly: 2:59

yeah, like, he walks up Joe's like, good job. That was but I would have been like, yet again, I don't think that me or any of our female listeners had that happened to us jogging at night or in the middle of the day, that we would feel the need to go up and talk to this stranger whenever we're by ourselves, there's no one around. Like, I was like, What are you doing? Yeah, hell no. Stranger danger,

LA: 3:24

yeah. And he shouldn't have stopped, because the guy just ends up ripping his heart right out of his chest.

Berly: 3:31

Kali Ma, I said that to myself a lot while watching this episode. What is that? Kali Ma, Indiana Jones and the Temple? Oh, yeah, it wasn't that Temple of Doom. That was Temple of Doom,

LA: 3:43

right? I think so, yeah. Then we're back with the boys, and I don't know if it said where they

Berly: 3:51

were. I mean, they're at a farmer's market, but it doesn't, it doesn't say where the farmers market is. Quick observation, did Sam steal that apple? I was kind of wondering that too. I think he stole that apple. I mean, he stole that apple, but then paid for the tomatoes, but it was two different booths.

LA: 4:09

Well, at least he's eating healthy, but yeah, so they're at a farmer's market, and I think it's Dean is on his phone and pulls up an article about what happened to the guy, the jogging guy, in Minneapolis. And then they start to talk about, like their ongoing little issue, their little argument that seems to be keep popping up about Sam taking a year off. And, you know now, I guess he's kind of wanted to take off again. I

Berly: 4:39

thought it was funny, because during the apocalypse, I think it was the apocalypse, there was something that they were doing where Dean only cared about that thing, and Sam was just like, I mean, we can help people and do other stuff too, yeah. And this time it was reversed, where Sam is like, No, our mission is to find Kevin and the tablet and Dean. Like we can help other people too. And then they got on their little tiff, which I've got to fill you in. I shared a little clip on our socials of our debate, and we got some feedback on Patreon too. A lot of people had a lot to say about what we were saying about Sam and Dean. What was our debate? You were saying that you were happy that Sam stepped back and did his own thing, and I was saying that I felt like he dropped his responsibilities, that he was responsible for Kevin, and that he was responsible for Dean too, that I could kind of be more empathetic about Dean, because what thread did he have to follow, but not Kevin? So we were kind of going back and forth on that, and we got a lot of comments about it. There were a lot of people who said that they felt like what Sam did was just completely out of character. There was one person who said that they agreed with you they were empathetic towards Sam because they brought up Mystery Spot. I know I'm bringing it way back, but in Mystery Spot, whenever he thought Dean was dead, he spent six months in that pocket dimension or whatever, trying to hunt down the Trickster to get Dean back right. Drove himself to the point where he was willing to kill Bobby, potentially not a good place. And then whenever Dean did actually go to hell, he drove himself to where he was drinking demon blood to try and kill doing all that not a good place. So this person was like, Can you not blame him for not wanting to drive himself to that dark place yet again to try and find Dean? Yeah. I was like, okay, okay, point taken. But most people were like, no. Dean was 100% valid. It was out of character. How dare Sam. But I thought that one person that pointed out, like, Hey, Sam did do that twice before, and look where it got him. I like it. But again, I just, I can't let go to the Kevin issue, though. I just feel so bad for little Kev,

LA: 6:59

yeah, well, and there's one thing he's like, there's a part in this episode where I was like, Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Sam, so Oh yeah, all right. Well, after their

Berly: 7:11

little heist, after they after they still apples, yeah, after

LA: 7:16

their theft and their spat at the farmers market, yeah, they decide to go and talk to Paul, and Paul is the

Berly: 7:24

Oh, hang on, real quick before that, they did go talk to the cops first. And I liked it, because that cop did not like Dean. Dean was, Oh, that's right, whatever they forgot about that, yeah. They were like, well, who's the guy? Because that's how they found out about hefty speed runner, and the way they kept looking each other up and down, and Sam's just stay awkwardly, yeah?

LA: 7:48

I liked that. He he said that the his heart was ripped out of him, just like a peach pit, yeah? And

Berly: 7:55

then he said, Yeah, okay, look at the guy. Sure, he's fast, but Thor, he's not, and he's got a clean record, like, what'd you what'd you want me to do? And it's just the way he was looking. I thought it was funny. I thought that dynamic was funny. I was chuckling. But then, yes, then we go to Paul, yeah,

LA: 8:13

yeah. So he tells him about Paul, so they go to see Paul, and Paul's, is this what he ends up telling him about his scare a year ago or whatever.

Berly: 8:21

Yeah, he's making his smoothie and saying it's disgusting, and he was just talking to Sam. And then dean comes out of the bathroom. Oh, that's right.

Unknown: 8:31

Oh, he came out of the bathroom. I didn't even realize that, yeah, he came out of

Berly: 8:34

the bathroom. Was like, chap in his belly, and was like, too much fiber. And then he proceeds to look at Paul, like, judgmentally, I'm like, you literally just blew up that guy's bathroom, right? Blew, just blew up his toilet, and you're gonna come out here and look at him judgmentally for drinking a smoothie, okay? But yes, I keep cutting you off. So Paul,

LA: 8:54

no, no, you're fine. But yeah, he says he doesn't know the guy that got his heart ripped out, never met him, never seen him. Don't know who he is, and he mentioned, somehow, he mentions that, like, about a year ago, he had a health scare, and he kind of had to turn it, turn his life around, and that's why he's drinking his smoothies and he's going out on night jogs, ripping hearts out. You know the huge I guess after Dean blew up the toilet, he did search around the apartment as well, or maybe before, I don't know, and he didn't find any supernatural items or spell books. So they're just gonna take it him at his word for now. But oh my god, I just connected something. What?

Berly: 9:33

That's not the first time they've done this. Sam did that when they were in that witch's house. He was like, I've had too much coffee. I'm so sorry. Do I need to they claim that they're gonna go poop and then search the person's house?

Unknown: 9:47

Oh, okay, I got it. I like it. Good. Excuse.

Berly: 9:53

Nobody's gonna come looking for you. Just don't take too

LA: 9:56

long, right? Anyway, Dean discovers on the internet. Search, searching through that there has been another murder similar to this six months prior in Ames. Is that Indiana or Iowa? I have no idea anyway. So they go to Ames and talk to an officer. This is where I got confused. I think I ended up thinking that the victim was the cop,

Berly: 10:25

or like I was getting them mixed up. The little story that they shared. I did not follow. Okay, good. I thought maybe it was just me. It was like he ordered a pizza and then did it. I didn't. I didn't quite follow the story either. Okay, yeah, but I think that it was a cop. Was the guy in the thing? Yeah,

LA: 10:45

Arthur was the cop. And I kept thinking that Arthur was like the pizza guy. I think

Berly: 10:50

it didn't need to be that complicated. I agree. I didn't follow it. I still couldn't tell you what happened. All I know is that the pizza delivery guy was the victim, and the cop did it right? They

LA: 11:02

go to the jail and talk to Mr. Arthur Swinson. And Arthur is not very chatty. He's just whispering this like chant to himself over and over and over. He's not even really making eye contact with the guys. I think it's Sam sitting down talking to him. And I liked how Dean just casually went over there and threw some holy water on his arm to make sure he wasn't possessed by a demon. I

Berly: 11:25

mean, he did tell him what he was gonna do, you know, like he got as much consent as he was gonna get.

Unknown: 11:30

Yeah. Okay, true,

Berly: 11:33

another thing. It's not the thing. But whenever he was doing his chant, I was going, I can't stop this feeling deep inside of me. Girl, you just did it. Did that song not come in your

Unknown: 11:50

head? It did not.

Berly: 11:52

It was stuck in my head for so long I had to, like, rewind and go watch the scene again, because I didn't listen to anything that happened in it, because I was, like, chocolate. Oh, my God.

LA: 12:05

Well, they don't really get anywhere with Arthur, obviously. So they leave after they leave, Arthur's in his room and is still making his little chant, and he rips off a piece, a bottom piece of the metal of his bed and starts to put it up toward his face, and we don't see it, but it turns out he stabbed himself in the eye, and he had different colored eyes. So the guys end up at the hospital and talk to the doctor overseeing Arthur, and she tells them that about a year ago, he was, I think, in a car accident and lost his left eye, but he actually received a donor organ when. So that's where he got his new eye. And it was, I think she even said it was almost to the same date of today or today, no, not today, the day they were and somehow, I guess she they end up asking her more about the donor, and she ends up giving them the donors information, which HIPAA laws there? You know, not a good idea.

Berly: 13:07

She was gorgeous, by the way. Yeah, I was thinking that I've seen her in something else, but not according to IMDb,

LA: 13:14

huh? Once they go back to the hotel, Sam doing some more research, he ends up finding out that Paul had a trans heart transplant about a year ago too. Maybe you remember, how did they know to go to Boulder for the next victim? I was very confused. It was just like it came out of left field for me when Dean said that, and I was just like, how did he what? How did he come up with that?

Berly: 13:39

I didn't follow that either. Okay, like he said, like he said in the series. And so I thought that there was, like somebody else that had their heart torn out, and that they were going to talk about that, but then we saw the next guy who got his heart torn out in Boulder, like it hadn't happened yet when they decided on that, right? Yeah, that all confused me. I think that I didn't write it down. I think that doctor said something to him that led him to Boulder.

LA: 14:05

Okay, that makes, that would make sense, yeah, because I, I was even watching it with my brother, and I was like, why did it? I asked him to and rewound it. And he was, he was also confused. I was just like, okay, good. It's not just me.

Berly: 14:18

But anyway, because, remember, they were talking about how, like, oh yeah, it happened here, like, six months ago. Oh, you forgot about that. Remember they were having that little conversation? Yeah. So I was like, oh, okay, like that just must have been bolder, and I just didn't hear it. And then we see the murder happen in Boulder. And I was like, wait. But then I got distracted by paying attention to what else was happening in the episode, and

LA: 14:38

I moved on, yes, yeah, but he was correct to go to Boulder. Somehow we see as this guy hanging outside of a strip joint just caught the

Berly: 14:50

bunny hole. I thought that was funny, was it really? I didn't even see that the name of the choice was the bunny hole, because the way they were panning over, I saw hole for. First, and then I saw the B, and so before I actually read it, I was like, No way. And then I was like, oh, Bunny, not not the

LA: 15:08

Oh, my God, that's funny. So in Boulder at the strip club, we see this guy whose name is chick, then this very fabulous woman steps out of the strip club, and we learned that her name is Randa, which I thought was an odd name. Never heard that before, Randa, Randa. She was wearing that dress though, oh, she looked she was fabulous. I was like, Damn girl. I wish I could wear that dress like that, looking like that. Maybe it was short for Miranda. Yeah, I was thinking like Amanda, but that doesn't work. So you're right with Miranda.

Berly: 15:43

After Sex in the City, she was just like, No, I'm not a Miranda, so I won't be using that name anymore right now on Miranda.

LA: 15:53

Yeah. So yeah, fabulous. Miranda takes chick around the to the back alley, as one does, and then proceeds to rip his heart out, just like Paul did. My all I put in my notes about this scene, which I need to elaborate more on, was car Convo about wanting different things, like, okay, but yes, as they're driving to Boulder, Dean is he's jazzed up about working this case and that they're going to do it together, doing their job. And, you know, Sam's not real excited, just not real excited about it. Oh, that's when Sam just listen, I can't talk just suggest that maybe, maybe because Dean's so enthused, you know, he he can just go out there and do it, do something, do it on his own. He doesn't need Sam, you know,

Berly: 16:54

Dean was very much like, No, you're wrong. Yeah, you'll miss it. You're in it that it sounds like,

LA: 17:00

which I feel like, IE is like, No, I still want you here. We're codependent. You can't leave

Berly: 17:06

me. Dean's very much not reading between the lines here. Yeah, not at all. He's not reading between the lines. Sam is being pretty blunt, yeah, that's true.

LA: 17:19

Yeah. Dean's just like, not hearing it, not having it, no, yeah. Like, what'd you say? No, that we're gonna talk about the opposite of what you want. Yeah, no,

Berly: 17:29

you're wrong. You're just wrong. Yeah.

LA: 17:33

Oh, so this, I think this is where you were thinking, because it's when the doctor calls Dean and lets him know that Paul also received donor heart, like, from the same donor as Arthur,

Berly: 17:46

right, right, yeah, at the hospital, she told him Paul had also received a transplant. Or No. Sam googled that. Yeah, no. Sam googled the other victims. That's what it was. So that woman told him that Paul had also gotten a transplant. And then dean asked, Do you happen to know who, who that who the donor was for? And she was like, I mean, I can look into it. I can look into it. And then whenever he got back to the hotel, Sam had googled the other stuff that was going on. It was like, yeah. Like, all of these people have gotten transplants, right? I still don't know why. Dean was like, Boulder, yeah, no, still can't put that together. Still a mystery there the rest. But then she called to tell him that, yeah, it was the same donor, yeah, yeah, brick homes, and they were located outside of Boulder. So Dean was like, we're still going to the right place, right? I was correct in my assumption that we still don't know how you got there. But you know what? Right at the end of the day for you, it was the right call. Yeah, yeah,

LA: 18:44

good for him. Sam proceeds to tell us that Rick Holmes is was a famous football player, and he's excited about it. He lived in Colorado, but he died, I think, about a year ago, or, well, obviously, or go in a car accident, and then he was a donor. So these people all got his different organs. I think it ended up eight of his Dorgan dorgans. Yeah, what is happening? Eight of his organs were donated to different patients. So the guys go to talk to Brooke's mom, way, way before that, we see Randa doing a little ritual with the heart. She ripped out a chick in the alley, and she's chanting the same thing that Arthur was in jail, same same little chant. And she dips her fingers in the Blood Bowl and puts it on her face, and then she takes a big old bite out of the heart. That's whenever

Berly: 19:40

all my other theories went out the window. I was like, Doc bitten shape shifter, like I was totally trying to figure it out. And then that happened, and her eyes glowed red. And I was like, Oh, I don't know what the fuck this is. Yeah, this is new, well, and it

LA: 19:56

was weird. I even when I was sitting there trying to make my notes, I was like, I don't even know. How to describe what just happened, right? There was like some weird, Smokey, weird something coming up behind her and like a burst of something. I mean, it was cool. It looked very cool. But I was just thinking, I don't even know how I'm gonna explain this. During the recap, she was still rocking that dress. She was, I mean, she looks great like I need to go work out to get to looking like that, right? So, yeah, now they go and talk to Eleanor Holmes, who is what we know as bricks mother. So she tells them about how he just, like, sought out physical perfection. Just was such an athlete, and I guess he signed up to be an organ donor as part of a publicity event. He did drive off a bridge a year ago. That's how he died. And Dean, I think Dean, mentions that, you know, it's kind of weird. There weren't any other cars, no traffic, no like, tire marks on there, you know what happened there? And she tells him she has some anniversary thing to go to for her son, and they need to go so she can get going. So they leave, and then we see Randa is at the house, walking down the stairs and comes up to Eleanor and warns her that she needs to keep quiet, and she doesn't want to want her to say anything, because it might give them away. And Eleanor, I think whatever she said back to her, it was good. She was like, it was a real smart, smart ass comment. Back to Randa, like She's old, but not dumb or something like that. I was always confused, like, why Eleanor was letting Randa be there at all. Me too. I I didn't understand that part. I don't either. She looked fab coming down the stairs and being like, and then Eleanor getting to do her little back. I mean, that was cute, but I was just like, what? How did that serve the story at all? And how does that make sense? Right? She says that she ends up like, letting us know that she has bricks heart and that, you know, giving her that new life. And she came to Boulder to be with Eleanor, because brick needs both of them. For some reason, they

Berly: 22:06

should have taken all the time with random and Eleanor being connected. They should have just X nayed that where Eleanor knew who all the donors were, for some reason, like just because she wanted to know who her Yeah, son helped, or whatever, I don't know, and used the time instead for Dean to more clearly explain why Boulder, that

LA: 22:33

would have been better. Yeah, I agree. They go to check in at a motel. The boys do one of them recorded Arthur's little chant at the jail. Dean was really excited about his translation app that he does, right? So he tries to do the translation, it comes up like, not it doesn't recognize it as a as a language. And I think Sam mentions, well, what if it's, you know, like a dead language? And he calls on, I remember the doctor that he calls on for help, but I don't remember the name

Berly: 23:06

Morrison. And when they brought him up, and like the I thought we were going to get to see him again. And I was, yeah, I was excited, because I liked him, yeah, but we didn't Professor Morrison, who helped them with the Amazons. Remember, he put together, right? He did a PowerPoint presentation to them and everything, right? Yes, okay,

LA: 23:27

but yeah. So we don't get to see him, but he does end up helping them figure it out. It's an ancient Mayan language, and it translates to the divine God cacao is born, and cacao is the Mayan god of corn, and was the most, one of the most powerful Mayan deities.

Berly: 23:44

I'll talk more about that in the lore. Oh, good.

LA: 23:47

I liked when it got to this to tell us what it was all actually about, and that it was like a Mayan thing. I was kind of excited about that. So now I'm excited for your lore after they discover what that what the chant says, Dean actually finds out that the next donor, Jimmy, he lives in Phoenix and has disappeared mysteriously. So he tells Sam he also saw an email to when he was searching for this information. He saw an email about an application to college. Sam is like, oh, you know, I'm just considering my options. And shockingly, Dean drops it for once, and doesn't like go into it further to have yet another argument about

Berly: 24:30

it. Oh, I would disagree. He Sam changed the subject, and then as Dean was leaving the room, he goes, nice job changing the subject, by the way. Oh, that's true. Okay, sure, he dropped it, but it was passive aggressively.

Unknown: 24:45

Oh, yeah. I mean, because that's

LA: 24:50

what I would have done, yeah. This is just a really long standing argument we're going through here. They. End up deciding to break into bricks house. And while they're in there, they go into the closets in the main bedroom, and it's a little odd that they find out that Eleanor's closet is next to bricks closet and bricks room and the master Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a little weird. And they start thinking, like, what's what was going on between these two? What was really happening whenever

Berly: 25:27

Dean, like, moved his eyes toward the bed, and then Sam was like, great. Now that image is burned into my retinas. I'm like, Okay, Sam, I would have gotten what Dean was getting at without visualizing the two of them together, like you took it too far in your brain.

LA: 25:43

You got a little too imaginative, yeah. But hey, everybody's thinking it, you know, lo and behold, there's a secret room behind a bunch of clothes in the closet. There's always something behind these clothes in the closets. You know, it happens a lot. I

Berly: 26:03

liked the shot whenever it was Dean, because, and I remember because the shot, wherever we see Dean, like, look through the clothes, we see his face, where He spots the door and, like, moves the clothes out of the way. I liked that shot that we were from the perspective of the door

LA: 26:16

the rooms. It was a cool little room, and it was basically just kind of like a memorabilia room just hidden away with all these things, trophies from his football days. There's a box of letters that they find that brick wrote to somebody named Betsy. And the, I think the earliest one was from 1940s which was confusing, right? And he's samurai.

Berly: 26:40

Did you see the samurai outfit? Yes, the armor. I was like, get, let us get a better look at

LA: 26:46

that. My goodness, right? He's in the one of the letters, he's talking about playing a different sport than football and winning. There's, I think there's, like, a baseball uniform there too. It's boxing gloves, so, like, all these things in

Berly: 27:01

there. And then one of the letters was talking about his opponent being Sugar Ray and Dean was like, Wait a minute. What? Yeah,

LA: 27:07

yeah. So, like, based on those letters, it would mean that brick had to have been, like, at least 95 years old. I don't know how far they went back, but they discovered that he was a boxer, and some somebody else, another athlete by different names, but then they pull up the pictures of them, and it's the same person, but they just look different, and it's obviously brick,

Berly: 27:28

yeah, different hairstyle, right? They really tricked him. He tricked everybody. Yeah? Hey, he did. He pulled it off. He did. Yeah, of course.

LA: 27:39

I was sitting there thinking, nobody like, noticed that he looked similar, you know. But,

Berly: 27:45

I mean, maybe you should really think about it, though, because there's that one picture of that one guy from, like, the Victorian era, that is the spitting fucking image of Keanu Reeves. Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that. And, I mean, I'll be honest, until he put the pictures all next to each other, I didn't notice how similarly they were, like, I knew I could notice there was something. And I was like, oh, like, they all have the same nose. But then whenever he really put them next to each other, I was like, Oh, shit, it's more than the nose. It's the same fucking guy. So I think he could pull it off if this was, well, he did, yeah. I mean, he did. He did until he didn't want to

LA: 28:21

live no more. I know, well, we'll get to that. Yeah, but Dean is the one that kind of figures out in Mayan culture, that athletes were treated like gods. They would do human sacrifices to them, and a lot of the times they ate human hearts like Randa for these sacrifices, and it was supposed to give them superhuman strength. They think that brick must be a Mayan and over 900 years old. And then I guess it's that brick made a deal with cacao so that he could keep himself young and fit and be able to do all these things he wanted to do in sports

Berly: 29:04

and live forever, live as long as he wanted to,

LA: 29:06

yes, but he had to keep sacrificing. I'm

Berly: 29:10

like, How did Eleanor get in on this? Because if Eleanor is Betsy, Betsy is Eleanor, right, right? Well, then that means that she was alive and was his romantic partner all those years back.

LA: 29:23

Well, I think it showed from in one of the pictures. She looked really young when I guess they first got together, but that would have been like the 40s, right?

Berly: 29:30

Yeah, she said that they met and fell in love in the 40s, and she ignored what he was doing so she could be with him, and that they would just assume every or they would do different identities, or whatever, every 10 years and whatever, she reached her 40s, and I'm like, You're in your 40s now, like, I'm just saying, like, from, based off of those letters, she should have been a lot older than she was.

Unknown: 29:56

I feel like she was, she wasn't in her 40s.

Berly: 29:59

I. She wasn't she was older.

Unknown: 30:03

We're in our 40s. We don't look like her.

Berly: 30:06

Oh, are you

LA: 30:09

sure? But, yeah, I thought. But it was weird that when she got into her 40s, they decided that she would just pose as his mother instead of his wife, Betsy. So then that's when she became Eleanor.

Berly: 30:26

And also it just always bothers me whenever it's like these ancient beings falling in love with, like high school girls. I'm like, what? Yeah. I'm just saying,

LA: 30:36

Yep, he snatched her when she was young, kept her with him all those years. And yeah, so she tests, she ends up telling them all this stuff and that it was really sad that she said, I guess it finally was hitting him now that she was getting older, that he was facing, going to be facing a life without her. After all, she said that she thinks that's why he drove off the bridge, because he couldn't bear a life without her. If

Berly: 31:01

he quit doing the sacrifices and stuff, would he have just ate? Couldn't he have just aged normally with her? Like, why did he have to drive off a bridge? Right?

LA: 31:09

Yeah, I was kind of wondering that too, because they said every year he had to do two sacrifices, like the planting and harvesting seasons. So it's like, yeah, just stop killing.

Berly: 31:18

Just stop killing people

LA: 31:21

as an experiment, maybe try that first. This is obviously still ongoing with his body parts being in other people. So they need bricks heart, and they ask Eleanor if she knows who has it. And she does, yeah. She does well. So they end up going to the strip club the bunny hole. Yes, Miranda pops out from behind the curtain, and she's going on about how she she used to be just like a shy girl. Oh, well, before that, she starts on her little you know,

Berly: 31:58

model, yeah, hang on there you go. Do we want to talk about her choice that the bunny hole is her ritual ground. Like, yeah, you're apparently staying with Eleanor. Eleanor knows the gig. Eleanor knows what's going on. There's a hidden room in the back of bricks closet, and you apparently are brick. Like, why can't you just do it there? Right? Why are you like? No, I need I need some ambiance. I need the mood lighting. I need a spotlight on me while I do the ritual, get that smoke machine going, yep, but

LA: 32:36

yeah, so she's got her two henchmen, and Paul and Jimmy, they attack the brothers, they knock Sam out, and they pin down on the stage, and then that's where Randa starts going into her little monolog that she was just a shy little girl from Georgia, and now that she's got bricks heart, she feels like Xena Warrior Princess, and She's just so happy and so smug about it. I don't know I really liked how she was saying, if she takes her time and does it right and slow, she'll be able to show Dean his beating heart before he dies. Wow.

Berly: 33:19

Good for Randa, that whenever she got that heart and got that athletic ability, that she was like, You know what, exotic dancing, right? Because they are athletes like I would, yeah, I'm kind of mad that we know that she's like, this outstanding athlete, and we didn't get to see her routine once. That's a letdown, a real letdown. That's another thing that I would have taken over the Miranda Eleanor scene. Let me see her doing some crazy shit on that pole. That would

LA: 33:47

have been cool, right? Well, she is straddling

Berly: 33:51

Dean, right? And she guys are holding Dean down,

LA: 33:55

yeah. But Sam, Sam, literally just like pops up behind one of them and hits, I think it was Paul that he took out, right? Or was it Jimmy, who cares anyway? Takes down one of them. And as he's wrestling with this guy, Randa is distracted by it, and Dean grabs his knife from his pocket or back wherever it was, and stabs Randa Right, right up into her heart, and so she like, there's that burst of energy or whatever it was, and she dies. And the other two guys, their organs explode as well, and then they're all dead. They saved the day.

Berly: 34:37

I feel like we could have also done a Sam gets knocked out. Count, right? Poor boy, yeah.

LA: 34:46

I mean, what the athletes get after so long, so many concussions?

Berly: 34:53

Yeah, I don't know what that's called. I know what you're talking about, but I don't

Unknown: 34:57

know the name, but yeah, poor Sam. Just always.

Berly: 35:00

Getting knocked out. No wonder he wants to quit, right? I mean, yeah, break.

LA: 35:05

So they go to see Eleanor, let her know it's over, and she's, you know, she's good. She's good with it. She's happy to be at peace with it all. And so they leave her once again, Dean's jazz. They, they won the day. They, they fought the bad guys, took him out, and he said that, you know, he understands what Brandon was talking about, feeling like a warrior. Hand over to Sam, and Sam's all, nope, I don't feel that way. I don't feel the same way. He tells Dean that, once they find Kevin and get the tablet and get that job done. He's out. He's done. He's quitting. This is what bothered me, is when he told Dean, you know, for that year that I was off, I had something I've never had before. I was like, Well, wait a minute, didn't you get to go to college? And you had a really long term girlfriend in college that you were in love with? You did have that before. But anyway, that just bothered me. But then it does a flashback to Sam. It's real cheesy

Berly: 36:08

music. The whole thing, I hated it. It was

Unknown: 36:12

so bad I hated it. Okay, go though. But yeah, so

LA: 36:15

Sam's in some park with his dog riot, searching for Amelia. Can't find Amelia. And then he finds her in this little on this little picnic blanket with a birthday cake. And he's like, what's this? And she's, well, what have you never seen a cave birthday cake before? And it just like pans over to him, just like looking at her like, like, he really has never seen a birthday cake before, but he has. I

Berly: 36:43

mean, come on, are you sure? Maybe he hasn't, maybe he hasn't had to throw a birthday party thrown for him before, but, I mean, I agree with you, though I hated this.

Unknown: 36:52

I hated this in college, yeah?

Berly: 36:55

Jessica cooked him, baked him cookies. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like you had, Surely she made him a

LA: 37:01

cake. Yeah, yeah. And Dean should have brought that up, thrown that in his face. I mean, just whenever he ran

Berly: 37:07

around the corner and she just went surprise the way she did the surprise thing, like sitting on the blanket, I just and the was it a saxophone that was playing in that music? Oh, I don't know it was, it was so distracting to me. And I was just like, What the fuck is this? It was bad. And I'm like, but this, but this is supposed to be the scene that makes us understand what Sam wants to get back and I was like, that's what y'all decided on.

Unknown: 37:38

Like, that's what you want to go back to, right?

Berly: 37:42

Okay, yeah, but all right, exactly like To each their own. It was pukey. It didn't make me go all like. It was just awkward. I was like, What the fuck is this for it to be about the life that they had together? I feel like if they had just changed the location that that could have made it better, the home that they had together, that we saw him in in the premiere, where he abandoned her, if it just showed him, if it just showed him come home, right? And her having cooked dinner for him, and, like, surprise, it's your favorite meal for like, something like that, where we got to see them actually having this home life, like it just being this awkward situation in the park. I was like, Yeah, you're probably right. And her doing the awkward surprise thing on the blanket, but like, I don't know what else she could have done that would have made it less awkward. I really feel like it was the location fucked them on that Yeah. Like, we know at this point there's a girl, right? We know at this point it's not just about the dog. It's been explicitly said there was a girl. So we didn't need the whole mislead with, oh, it's about the dog. Just kidding, there's a woman here. Oh, well, this is interesting, though. Get to your get to your last line of your recap here.

LA: 38:58

Oh, okay, so this episode was written by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross Leung and directed by Jensen Ackles.

Berly: 39:08

So that means Jensen got to direct that scene where Randa is putting her foot on him and like, can you imagine being like, yeah, yeah, put your foot on me, yeah. Now sit on just like that. Me, yeah, like, can you imagine directing that? No, no, no. I wonder how much direction he had to give, or if he just got to be like, just do your thing. Yeah, this episode. I bet this was a hard episode to direct, because he was in it quite a bit. All right. Well, Gore obviously. I think the goriest thing, other than the hearts getting ripped out, was us seeing her chomp into it. I wonder what it was made out of. Yeah, I know. I'm guessing a gelatin mold of some sort, but I feel like it was beating did I? Am I making that up? I don't know. I don't remember. Did you. Adore anything about this episode. I mean, I did

LA: 40:02

kind of like the story of Betsy and brick their like, little love story was kind of nice. I mean, it ended sadly, but it was kind of nice. Little 40s romance, living their lives together.

Berly: 40:17

It had all the right pieces, like a unique monster, a relatable story. It just, I feel like it wasn't fleshed out as well as it needed to be, like there's just so many gaps, and at the same time it it wasn't that long of an episode, and yet it dragged for me, yeah, dragged for you too.

LA: 40:38

Yeah. Well, and it just like it was like so much of them like finding the donors to do all that, and then it seemed like the bulk of what the show was about was, like rushed at the end, right? Does that make

Berly: 40:49

sense? Yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. It's it was just weaving through to my but the right pieces were there. So I don't want to say it was a bad episode. I just feel like it, it needed to be workshopped more. I think that the story needed to be fleshed out a little bit more. Yeah,

LA: 41:06

I would have liked more of the brick story to be more than them bopping around, finding the organs.

Berly: 41:14

I mean, I liked the mystery of, oh, it's the donors. Oh, it all leads back to this brick person. But I agree with you. I wish they had connected those dots just a little bit earlier, and then, once they were there, okay, Quit messing around with the mystery of who's this And who's that and who's Jimmy. Like, no, let's focus on brick. Now. It's not going to be a favorite, that's for sure.

LA: 41:35

Yeah, it's kind of disappointing. Like, like I said, because when it was like, the Mayan stuff, I kind of got excited. But then that was almost like an afterthought of it, so I was kind of bummed about that.

Berly: 41:46

Agreed, like, again, the ritual, rather than having it be at the bunny hole, like, what if he had made like, a ritual temple in the basement of the house, and that's why Randa had to be there, and then they could have done some cool set shit where it was like, more. We're on the same page how we feel about it, yeah. I think that the story itself just needed, needed a little bit more. Yeah, meat, well, I know you're excited about it, so I'll get to the lore. First, I have to ask, Did you see the Disney movie The Road To El Dorado? I did not, well, fuck me. I was really relying on that. You have seen that movie? Oh, you should watch that movie, by the way. It's told me to watch it before. It's cute, doing this, it's cute. It's cute. Well, my Lord, today is pulled primarily from a Delaware Valley University blog post, okay, titled The Story of hun hunafu, the Mayan maize God, by author. It's not cacao. They lied to us. No, not according to this the Mayan maize God, by author, Bridget cornog, the story of the Mayan people dates back 1000s of years when there was only water and sky. The gods who lived in the sky and sea wanted someone to praise them. They tried several animals, but unfortunately, none of them worked, and they settled on trying to figure out how to make the best human. Our story takes a turn when we meet the two brothers named one and seven. The brothers were very talented at playing a ball game, unfortunately, the court where they played their ball game was right above where the gods of I'm not going to try to say that it means underworld lived. So their, their their ball court, was right above the underworld. And the gods did not like how much noise the boys were making. So they were like, hey, hey, fellas, Why don't y'all come play the ball game down here. Come on down here. Play with your balls. The boys were like, Okay, well, guess what? It was a trick, and they died. Luckily, one had twins. The two boys were also very gifted at the ball game. They played on the same court. So the gods were again, like, oh my god, you fucking kidding me, all that noise again. So they were like, we'll just do the same shit. We'll just trick them too. We'll, we'll do the same thing. So they asked them, hey, come down here and play, come down in the underworld and play for the gods. But this time, the boys were smarter, and they outwitted the gods. They had several different creatures help them, knowing their father's story, they sent a mosquito. Before they got there, the mosquito told them all the tricks that the gods had set up for them to fail, like all the murder traps on the ball court. Oh, she. Eating. Well, fuck yeah, wouldn't you? Yeah? I mean, I probably just would just decline the invitation. But, you know, this is the story. They were like, No, we're gonna go down there and fuck those guys. So they get there, they already know all the tests and tricks and all this other stuff that's gonna happen that they had to pass. So the two boys were able to kill the two highest gods who had killed their father. Because of this, they could bring back their father from the underworld. He emerged through a crack in the ground and became the maize God. The gods of the heavens were very grateful to the young boys, and they were able to have status as gods themselves, and ended up being the sun and the moon. The rest of the gods then talked to one about creating the best human, like, let's get back to this little plan. We want to we want to be praised. Let's make the best human to help them decide. They sent out four animals to find the best material. This was a fox, parrot, Coyote and Crow. When the animals came back, they brought a pile of white corn. The gods mashed up the corn and ended up creating the first humans. The Mayan people pray to one for a good crop and also a good life. Because to the Mayan people, corn isn't just a crop, it is who they are. One represents the birth and death and rebirth of a human. The corn, although a vital crop, is symbolic of his real purpose and story. So what's the connection between the maize God tree, the maize Tree God, Tree God, I don't know, and cacao. Well, according to Earth stories in the Popol Vuh, the Maya creation story, which is what we just learned about. Cacao is named as one of many food items, including maize, which emerged from the mountain assistance prior to the creation of humankind. Cross culturally, trees supply a rich collection of metaphorical meanings appropriate to generational descent, and in Maya ideology, they evidently constitute a bridge between death and rebirth. It is the maize God's manifestation as a fruit tree that allows him to pass on his procreative seed and to eventually triumph through the heroic deeds of his aforementioned offspring. The maize God also seems to be depicted with or inside cacao pods. For example, on a vase in a highly stylized tree hangs the tonsured head of the maize God, the equivalent of the father of the hero twins who had been decapitated by the Lords of death and the underworld after he and his brother were defeated. There There are two nearly identical cacao trees on the vase with each with a head on the trunk, though a fruit hanging in the upper branch of the tree on the left appears with a human face. This may be a representation of the transformation of the head of the maze God into a cacao pod. So I'm guessing, because all of these names were difficult, and he's so related with cacao and they didn't want to call him a maze God, that that's why they went with cacao in the show. I don't know. Yeah, I could see that. I tried really hard to figure out why they went with cacao, and I couldn't,

LA: 48:49

all right, well, quote to close it out, so it's a quote from Dean, I think, when they were talking chatting with Arthur. Well, listening to Arthur, and he says, It's too bad I dropped out of lunatic 101,

Berly: 49:03

I wonder if he made that comment because he'd already seen the college emails.

Unknown: 49:08

Oh, burn. Cheers, cheers.

Berly: 49:16

Thank you for listening to denim wrapped

LA: 49:18

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