What's Up, Tiger Mommy? (8x2)

Berly and LA recap the season eight Supernatural episode, What's Up, Tiger Mommy? Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy!  CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞

Summary: In the "Denim Wrapped Nightmares" podcast, hosts Berly and LA discuss the Supernatural episode "What's Up, Tiger Mommy." They recap the previous episode, "We Need to Talk About Kevin," where Dean and Sam search for Kevin, who has escaped Crowley. The current episode introduces Linda Tran, a strict mother, and her son Kevin. The plot involves a frost giant bone, a demon named Mr. Vili, and a bidding war for the tablet at an auction. Crowley possesses Linda to steal the tablet, and the Winchesters face various challenges, including Sam wielding Mjolnir. The hosts also delve into the lore of Plutos and his role in the episode.

Resources:

• https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/What%27s_Up,_Tiger_Mommy%3F
• https://g.co/kgs/jrFBejx
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutus
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demeter#:~:text=In%20ancient%20Greek%20religion%20and,the%20fertility%20of%20the%20earth.
• https://www.britannica.com/topic/Iasion
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pape_Sat%C3%A0n,_pape_Sat%C3%A0n_aleppe

Transcript

Berly: 1:27

HOST, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy Exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode,

LA: 1:36

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 1:42

I'm Burley and I'm a new fan of the series. I'm

LA: 1:46

LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get

Unknown: 1:52

Tipsy. Hello, LA, hey. Burley, on the previous episode we've spoke

LA: 2:00

about it was titled, we need to talk about Kevin, not to be confused with the movie no Dean reemerged from Purgatory, but he was not alone. He had straight for Sam, of course, but the reunion isn't exactly what he thought it would be. Sam drops everything to join his brother Peru, but leaving the life he had grown to enjoy turns out to be harder than he imagined. Dean and Sam look for Kevin, who has managed to escape Crowley's gap. I was gonna say, gasp, grass,

Berly: 2:30

gas, but

LA: 2:31

things come to head quickly. When Kevin tells them what it is that Crowley wants

Berly: 2:37

you just said, things come to head quickly. I don't remember that scene. I

LA: 2:42

didn't say a head. No, damn well, things come to a head quickly. Kevin tells them what it is that Crowley was. I was like, I don't

Berly: 2:51

remember that scene. When they come to head. Ooh. Well, today's episode is titled, what's up, Tiger mommy. It's the second episode of season eight, and originally aired on October 10, 2012 and I looked it up because we were curious. Tiger Mom is a strict or demanding mother who pushes her child or children to high levels of achievement, especially by using methods regarded as typical of child rearing in China and other parts of East Asia. So whenever I said, I have a feeling it's kind of racist, seems like that might be the case. Yeah, a little bit, little bit stereotype. At least. The episode opens up with an old man, Mr. Philly.

LA: 3:39

I was like, Oh, he's kind of adorable, but he was so cute, yeah, a little bit creepy though, too.

Berly: 3:43

Yeah, he was an oddball, right, right? And we ended up not liking him by the end of the episode. But in the beginning, it was like, Who's this? Who's this little munchkins little hat? Oh my goodness, his suit and his hat. I liked his suit better than Bo's. Yeah, not a fan. I know you were not. We will get there, though. He walks into a bank and he has a clerk take him to the safety deposit box vault area, and says he's there for box number one, and she has to go and pull out the box from a different safety deposit box, because they didn't even have safety deposit box number one in the vault anymore. Then it took her a second to kind of remember where it was. She gives it to him, and he opens the box. And at first I was like, it's a petrified penis. Well, it was a box in a box. Oh, that's right. And then it was a box in a box, but not a Dick in a Box. And I thought, that's what it was, yeah, that's what it looked like. Did you think bone

Unknown: 4:39

right away? No, at first I was like, Oh, but I

Berly: 4:42

didn't want to say, like, that's a petrified penis or a petrified baby arm. Like, I don't know what's going on here, but it was a bone. Bone, yeah, just a bone of what was it? A Frost Giant, a frost giant bone, we found out later, yes, very valuable. So that's why it was so big and looked like a dick, because, you know, frost giants, right? So the Clark is just like, Okay, well, take your like, bone and get out of here. He's like, wait, I need one more thing. I'd like to make a withdrawal. And then the camera pans over, and we get our 60th blood splooge of the supernatural series as he, I don't know. I was like, what drew her life? Yeah. I was like, what did he withdraw? At La, it was like, so dramatic. She went her life

LA: 5:28

awkward lady just trying to do her job. And I'm like, was that the Virgin? I that's what I was assuming when we got there. So she was, she must have been the Virgin. Had to have been in maybe some pieces, and then she was still put in the bag, yeah,

Berly: 5:40

what did, what did he do with the other three eighths of her, though? Yeah, who knows? Did he eat her? Ooh, I hope not. What else did he do with them? Well,

Unknown: 5:47

maybe he gathered her all up to get her out of there.

Berly: 5:50

You know what? He divided her. He put three eighths of her back in his security deposit box, his safety deposit box for another day. Okay, then we get supernatural. Isn't that what it does this time? I don't hear that.

Unknown: 6:12

You hear

Berly: 6:15

we see Sam and Dean. They're getting a bite to eat with Kevin, and Kevin is worried about his mom. Her name's Linda. Dean is not empathetic at all. Of. About this? No,

LA: 6:26

he's like, she's fine. Crowley needs her so we don't need to check on her. Everything's fine. Yeah,

Berly: 6:31

she's baked. Yeah, you want to go swim up there and grab a bite on the line, you dumb ass. And then Sam is just like, dang, just saw his girlfriend's neck get snapped. Or no, Kevin said that I just saw my girlfriend's neck get snapped like, you seriously can't understand why I would want to check on her and make sure she's okay. Yeah, Sam is kind of being quiet during all of this. I've noticed, I guess he's still not wanting to deal with the wrath of Dean, because he's just very on edge. She's like, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut. Yeah, I'll make some facial expressions to acknowledge that I agree with Kevin and that I see his point and I'm empathetic and come on, Dean, like, what the hell? But I'm not gonna like rock the boat too much here, right? Because he is just a, what is it trip wire? Is that what they call it a live wire? Goodness. Get that man an adaptogen tonic. That's what we're drinking today. We mixed it with vodka, because why not? Naturally? Anyways, Dean caves and they make their way from Chicago, Illinois to neighbor, Michigan. It's a lovely neighbor. It was beautiful. Her garden in the front, oh my gosh. It was like sitcom, just like perfection, the hyacinths. Isn't that? How you say it? Oh so pretty. It was beautiful. She walks up to her window and longingly looks outside. She was almost writhing her hands, I think a little bit,

LA: 7:54

isn't that one? Was it Sam or Dean that said tiger mom left window or whatever? And

Berly: 7:59

I thought it was kind of awkward, especially now that we know she had company. Why did she randomly just walk up to the window and longingly look outside. And so I thought, Oh, she knows. She knows. She's kind like she's being held prisoner, yeah. And so that's why she's kind of looking outside to be like, can somebody come help me? But no, that turns out that wasn't the case. She had no clue what was going on.

Unknown: 8:19

I think she's just checking on the gardener watering Why is he over

Berly: 8:22

watering my plants? What the fuck that's why. That's why she was writhing her hands. She was like, it's gonna kill my fucking plants. How do I go fire this asshole? But speaking of the gardener, Dean points out that the mailman has, what do you say, filled Mrs. Trans box? I was like, oh my god, your mom's box. Filled your mom's box. I was like, okay, not

Unknown: 8:43

necessary to word it that

Berly: 8:45

way. He said three times since we've been sitting here, and you think there's enough water, and it shows the water like running down the sidewalk, like a little river just running there. The gardener's just standing there. I said they looked like NPC characters from a video game, the way they were acting, just like doing the same thing over and over again. But Kevin, he wants to talk to her, so they decide, all right, yeah, take these demons out. We were talking about how, like, no thought whatsoever anymore about trying to save the victim. Yeah, no, we're just murdering. We're just gonna murder. Yeah, and I think it's been that way for a while, just like stabby. Stabby. So they take out the gardener. First one of them steps on the hose or something. So the water shuts off, so he comes around the corner to sees what up, and they stab him in the throat. He's like, Oh, that's when I told LA. I was like, wouldn't he have been so embarrassed if that was just a normal person,

Unknown: 9:34

right? Yeah, because he came up behind him, like, he

Berly: 9:36

didn't even wait for him to blink his eyes at him and confirm it was a demon or anything. He just, like, took him out. But luckily, he did the flashy flash, so we know that he was, in fact, a demon. So no awkward moment here. Then they trick the mail, or the mailman heard a noise or something, so he comes around, and Dean's just kind of standing there in the yard. It's like, Hi. And then Sam hops around the corner. So I guess Sam decided it was his turn, because he has the knife. Now he's like, You got to murder someone. Now I get to murder someone. Let's even this plane. Yeah, there's two of them. Two of us. Come on, Linda. That's her name. Linda is inside talking to her good Judy and Eunice. They knock on the door. She's like, hang on, Eunice, let me go get this hoping it's the gardener, so I can give up a piece of my mind, right? Motherfucker, ruining my hyacinths. She answers the door, and it's Kevin, and I like to high pitch. She's like, she got so high pitched, she was so happy. And then Sam and Dean both just step from around the corner and splash her holy water.

Unknown: 10:36

She's like arm was reached out to like Kevin, and gets just a face flower.

Berly: 10:42

And while she's trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and who are these two gorgeous men that just got me all wet. They were like, hang on, we got to go murder your friend. And Eunice stands up, and the demon tries to bail out. The demon tries to smoke out. And then Sam said, What did he say? He said, The Exorcism backwards. That was that what he did? Yeah. He was like, I just figured I'd give it a try. You know, okay, trial and error. We're studying. What is it we're doing. We're testing a hypothesis here, and it worked. It did. The demon, the smoke went back into Eunice, and then dean stabbed her right between the tits. Yep. Sorry about your front. She mourned her for like, a minute. Yeah.

Unknown: 11:22

She's like, did you, I mean, did you have to. Killer. She screamed,

Berly: 11:27

and she was very shocked. She was like, yes, and then yeah, they're on the couch, and she's like, did you have to and Dean's just like, yeah, yeah, I did, because that demon was gonna go tell Crowley. So then LA and I had the debate of, wait a minute, when Bobby was possessed, he stabbed himself in the leg, and that killed the demon, but Bobby survived, as long as we're being like, testing out hypotheses here, with the backwards exorcism and all this other stuff you You aren't going to give that. You don't want to give that a try, right? No. I mean, you would think, but too much, yeah, too much work, one hypothesis at a time, just killing souls. Yeah, that demon up in her was going to go tell Crowley. Well, then she moves on very quickly, because Kevin says something about a scary movie, I don't remember which one, and she was like, and she was like, Oh, my God, you've been watching. That's what she's been doing, Exorcist, yeah, the exercise, yeah. And she has just accepted this whole world of demons being true. And her son is the prophet she's on board, which I guess she kind of has to be, because she did see these people magically appear in her kitchen, and then the Leviathan kill these angels magically and all this other stuff. So she has seen some shit, so I guess maybe she's had a little bit of time. She's processed. Yeah, yeah, she's processed. There's some weird shit going on, so we'll let it. We'll let her have it. Dean starts talking about finding her a safe house, and she's like, Ah, so I thought we're getting a tablet. She wants to be in. La did not like the delivery of the lines during this conversation. It was so she just was awkward. It was a little awkward. It didn't seem very conversational. I just kept thinking she was a horrible actress, no offense. But it was just that scene, just that one scene, the line delivery, something about it was off, because otherwise she was fine. We were worried that it was gonna be annoying the rest of the episode, but she was great. The rest of the episode was just that one scene, something was a little awkward there. And I don't know if it was the dialog or if it was just the line delivery something. But anyway, she's like, Fuck your safe house. You filled my box three times. Oh, wait, no, that was the mailman. He's dead. Yeah, never mind. But first they gotta get inked. I thought that was interesting. I liked when she was like, what? Like, it's my first tattoo I know. And Kevin's like, Mom, whatever. Crawley, later in the episode is like, do you want to know who your real dad is? Kevin, scandalous. I'm like, oh my god, Linda. Tran, I want to see Linda's Bad Girl days,

Unknown: 13:39

right? Hellcat, yeah, cause she's all prim and proper in her little mom clothes.

Berly: 13:44

How did that happen? Let me see the bad girl, Linda, before she became a mom, where's that tramp stamp? Yeah. How about she would have been, yeah, that's what. We decided it was a tramp stamp. When she said, What? Like, it's my first tattoo, we were like, tramp stamp. She's got tramp stamp. Oh, yeah. So they take Linda and Kevin to go get some tattoos. We got to see Sam pull his shirt aside and show his clavicle. It's been a while since we've seen that. Kevin not handling the tattoo so well. Linda taking it like a champ. Oh yeah. And I was like, why'd they pick that spot? Yeah. Like, let Kevin get it on his back, on his trance stamp. Next, they had to Laramie Wyoming, and they go to a best station. And this is where Kevin stashed the tablet. He put it in one of the pay lockers. But when they open the locker, all they find is a diaper bag with a few diapers in it. That's it. No tablet. So of course, Sam and Dean immediately go and change into their suits. Where did they have those suits stored? Because I was looking I didn't see wrinkles. How do they pack those

Unknown: 14:45

very carefully.

Berly: 14:48

It's almost like it was supernatural. Oh well, they interrogate a gentleman at the bass bus station. I loved his accent. I believe he was Native American. I'm not 100% certain about that, but I did like his accent. I like the way he spoke. And this guy informs them that, oh yeah, we know who it is. We had this problem for weeks, months, I don't remember how long, but we did catch the guy. Finally, we got that fucker. Yeah, we did. Says here in the notes, his name's Clem Smedley. Oh, okay, so now the brothers are going to interrogate Clem, and we have no idea what the excuse is that they've given these people as to why they need to be talking to him. I have no idea.

Unknown: 15:29

It's because they're so good looking. People are just like, yes, go right ahead. Yeah.

Berly: 15:33

They're like, you're good looking, and I don't see a wrinkle on that suit. You got it going on? Trustworthy, yeah, authoritative. Do whatever you want. Spank me and tell me I'm pretty so they're talking to clip Dean flashes back to purgatory, where he's interrogating. I don't know what it was, but it was a monster of some sort. Yeah, he's chained up to a tree, and he's like, where's the angel? This guy is giving them information about where to go find the angel. And Benny is just standing in the background. Benny, Benny's got, like, a little belly. I like it. Cushion for the push in, oh yes. The way it's cutting back and forth is that we'll see Dean ask the question in Purgatory and the monsters answering. And then they'll cut to the interrogation scene so we don't really get to hear what the conversation is in the interrogation scene. Clem started making some demands. Demands before he told them any information, right? But I'm talking specifically about the cutting back and forth part that happens after that. Oh yeah. He said something about the pawn shop. I thought they were like, cutting back and forth, like this conversation is similarly happening in the jail cell, but we never heard Clem talk. He actually we heard him, yeah,

LA: 16:43

oh yeah. He made those demands, but then after he choked him, that's when he told him, okay, Pawn Shop.

Berly: 16:49

Okay, I missed that. I was like, why aren't you letting us hear any of the jail cell conversation, like I get what you're doing, the parallels that you're drawing here, but what's Clem saying? I didn't see it, but I was because I was making my notes, but I just You heard it, see? I didn't hear it. I was staring at the screen, going, what that? What? However, this scene is still good, because whenever Sam is sitting at the table talking to Clem before Dean gets him up against the wall and all that, and we see Dean pacing back and forth, getting real antsy, we can see that his tie has already been loosened up. But then I don't know, I don't know what Clem, clem's not talking and it pisses Dean off, so he takes off his tie just the way he was, like, just taking it off, just pulling it I was like, shirt next. Like, what's happening. Keep going. Let's keep it going. Really intimidate him. Yeah. He uses this tie to, like, choke Clem and pull him out of his chair, and then slams him up against the wall. And then the other part. Whenever he was like, you feel that? I was like, oh, oh my, oh, my, oh, you feel that poke in. You feel it. Don't be a tease. Oh, my goodness, too bad it was a knife, right? Oh, no, poor Clem, that could have been really hot, rather than just like, threatening to kill you. So next they're going to the pawn

Unknown: 18:17

shop. Did you want to tell about your that you liked? Oh,

Berly: 18:21

I forgot about that. Something that happened in Purgatory, that lucky for Clem, did not happen to him. Yeah, whenever they were done interrogating the monster that they had changed to the tree, Dean decided, you know, I'm done with you. And this was kind of a theme that came back around at the end of the episode, even though the monster told them what they wanted to know, and even though they're in Purgatory, so he's technically already dead, which I still don't get. The directions he gave them was like, three days walk down the stream, and I was like, why are there days they're in Purgatory? I don't understand. Yeah, I don't understand why it's daytime sometimes and nighttime other. How is there a sign so dirty? Well, I don't mind the dirt. I liked the dirt. I know, but I'm like, But why? Why? Why? Why did cast yell grow a beard and Dean didn't. So what we decided is that every morning, Benny takes the knife and shaves Dean's face for him.

LA: 19:13

How sweet. Also, Dean is super tan, by the way. I liked the dirt and his crow's feet. He's tan and dirty. I liked it when I would take it right.

Berly: 19:23

I'm still very confused about purgatory, but that's okay. Yeah, move on it. It doesn't make sense. He ends up taking that knife. He takes the knife after the monster tells them exactly where to find Castiel, and he stabs it through the monster's chin, and the monster's mouth is open, and they they did had to be special effects, because Benson told us that they don't do like head molds, that that's just too time consuming. They don't do that. So it had to have been special effects where they put the knife in his mouth. I thought that was a nice touch. It was

Unknown: 19:57

I felt bad that he killed that demon, though I was like, I know. I mean, he didn't

Berly: 20:01

seem so bad again, like I said, he's already dead, right? And he gave you what you needed exactly, other than you and Castiel, everything here is already dead, right? But then you know that again, comes back to the Purgatory thing of like, does that monster? Since there's night and day in Purgatory, right? And it was nighttime whenever they were interrogating this monster and stabbed him in the face. So when the sun comes up, is the monster just gonna be like, Oh, it's me again. It's me again. I'm dead again, in purgatory again. He can hunt me down again if he wants, yeah, or just leave me chained up here because I'm not gonna die again of dehydration or anything, because I'm already dead.

LA: 20:37

I mean, I guess Benny and Dean are just like, getting off on just killing I bet they are. They're like, this is completely unnecessary, but let's do it anyway, just for shits and giggles.

Berly: 20:49

That's what I'm saying. That's what I think it is, because they're already dead, but now that it's like night and day, I'm just like, I'm thinking that, like, they reset. Maybe that's, that's why there's days, because, you know, you just, it's like a Mystery Spot, right? They get killed, and then the next day, when the sun in the afterlife comes up again, you've got your consciousness back,

Unknown: 21:10

yeah, sure, just as reasonable as everything else that's going on, and your body,

Berly: 21:14

that's not actually a physical body, is miraculously healed, and you're going to go get in a fight with another dead monster, and y'all are going to shred each other up. Yeah, that's purgatory. Great. Hot day. It's pure, yeah, I do like the look of it. I like this, yeah, the color and the dirt and the grime and like I am liking it. I promise. I'll, I will let it go sooner rather than later. Guys with my whole trying to figure out how purgatory works. So at the pawn shop, Dean and Sam are asking for the tablet. Guys being an asshole. And Dean tries to insinuate that, hey, we could do this the hard way, where we get physical. And then the guy was like, Sure, if you want to be famous, and points out all the cameras around his house. Well, not his house, his door. Then Mrs. Tran speaks up. Luckily for them, they had passed a fancy schmancy little sports car outside, and it was like a Corvette or something. I think she said it was a spider whenever she had Kevin, let's list off the blue book value. And so she asked him, like, Hey, is that yours out there? Like I noticed you don't have the tags, which tells me you got it in a trade, and I assume you probably haven't paid the tax bill. And Kevin rounds off the blue book value, and then Sam does the math to figure out the tax and she's like, Yeah, I bet you don't want to pay that tax bill. And was it her brother? Her brother works in the tax assessor's office, so either I can call him or you can give us what we want. Ooh, I liked it, right? She's a little badass. So next, they go to a hideous motel, lime green, lime bright lime green. Hey, you wouldn't miss it. True. True. You know, I wonder what they named it, bright lime green and a red sign, lime tree hotel, maybe. Yeah, I thought it was like Christmas Town or something. Yeah, the green and the red. It was weird. They're knocking on the door. Nobody's answering, but all of a sudden somebody behind them is like, Kevin, oh, my god, Kevin. Hey, this description says a well dressed man, listen, uh oh. Burley begs to differ. I know that's what they were going for. It's a three piece suit. He had on his little Derby hat, pinstripe pinstripes, the purple, I think he even had a cane, but maybe I'm making that up. No, I think you're right. I know he was supposed to be a fancy little dandy, like, I get it, but that suit did not fit him, right, yeah.

LA: 23:42

Well, you mentioned the sleeves in the front, and then there in one scene when he's walking away, even the back looked too big, just

Berly: 23:48

not it did not fit him, right? It's like the chest was too small. The back was too big. I don't know what was going on there, where he

LA: 23:55

works and everything. You think he's got the hookup. I mean, it was a cute suit. I

Berly: 23:59

understand why they picked it, but it did not fit, yeah, too long. Too it was distracting. I just, I didn't hear half the shit he said, because I was just like, What is going on with this suit? He

Unknown: 24:11

was inviting them to the auction.

Berly: 24:12

Yeah, and his name's beau. Yeah, he's a right hand man of Pluto's. Yeah. Dean was like, that's not even a planet anymore, and he was so proud of it. And then the guy was like, He's the God agreed. And then dean felt shamed, and it's like you couldn't have just laughed at his joke. So he gives Kevin the invitation and tells all of them that they have policies, no supernatural stuff, no no weapons, nothing like that. It's literally gonna be the safest place for Kevin. So they should come. Yeah, he'll add the plus three. It'll be fun. Then he like, does one more rude thing, like throws the invitation up in the air so that he can vanish when they aren't looking right, rude. So they go this auction. It's in this warehouse. They have all the windows painted. There's sigils and all kinds of shit everywhere. And they have all kinds of fancy stuff at this auction. They had Thor's hammer. They had a sword of some sort. I'm expecting that that was Excalibur, probably, you know, bunch of stuff. So they go up to this preview, like it's this preview that they do before the auction, where you can go see what they're going to be auctioning. Everything's in glass cases. Their plan is, we just need to see the tablet. We don't actually need the tablet. Kevin just needs to read what the spell is that we want him to do. Close up. Hell, and let's get out of here with Crowley in it. But then they get there, and the way they have the tablet displayed, they have it blocked where you can't read it.

Unknown: 25:31

Oh, do you want to talk about the when they got there, the metal detector?

Berly: 25:35

Oh, God, so I thought this was funny. I got a kick out of it. So whenever they first get there, each of them walk through the metal detectors. Normally just walk through, walk through, walk through nothing. And then dean is like, hesitating, and then when it's his turn to walk through, he like, scrunches in on himself, like puts his hands in front of him and walks through really and then it goes off like crazy. And I was dying, because I was like, did he think that was gonna stop it from detecting the metal? He's

Unknown: 26:10

not even a good college try, you know, he's like, What do I got to lose? Very nonchalant,

Berly: 26:17

oh, I got a kick out of it. I thought it was funny. But I also thought a knife, yeah, I was gonna say, I also thought it was stupid to bring the demon knife at show. It because that's one of a kind. You can't go get another one. They're like, Thanks. We'll auction this off too, right? Oh my goodness. So he has to put it with all the weapons that everybody had to check at the door. And he was like, I will be back for this. And luckily, he does get it back. But anyway, so they're looking at the tablet, and they're like, fuck, we have to come up with Plan B. And then Crowley shows up. I'm trying to think of what he said at the beginning. Well, he introduces himself essentially. It's just like, Oh, hello, hey boys. And like, it's like, Kevin, what are you doing? Why are you running around with the Winchester it's like, gross. And then Mrs. Tran punches Crawley across the face whenever he's introducing himself to her, slugs him. Oh, my God, real good. And then he makes some comment about defiling her corpse later that it's just moved to the top of his list. And I was like, Jesus. Well, this pisses off Dean, which doesn't take much we're finding out this season. So he wants to beat up Crowley, but Crowley's like, really? Like, you can't, like, you can't do anything. You'll get thrown out. And so Sam's like, yeah, Dean, chill out. You can't, can't do anything right now. And then Crowley said, Yeah, listen to Moose, squirrel, squirrel and moose, Rocky and Bullwinkle. I feel like there's been a couple of Rocky and Bullwinkle references throughout the show, but I'm I'm not thinking of the other ones. I remember him calling him squirrel before. I know he said moose. I've heard him say moose, but I've never heard him say squirrel before. I knew it came into play at some point. But this was the first time that I like it. I heard it. I thought it was really cute. There is the flashback to when he finds Cass there. Oh, that's we get the flashback to Cass here. Yeah, he looked so cute the way he was smiling whenever he walked up to Castiel, he was so happy. And Cassie is filthy with a beard. Yeah, he's looking rough. He doesn't have a Benny to shave his face every morning. Jack, it's all tattered. I mean, yeah, and Benny is not a fan of Cassio. You're sus dude. Can you explain what happened? Can you explain why you ditched my friend here and Dean, he said something wolves, but the closed captioning didn't pick up. Yeah, the first word. I was hoping you got it. No,

LA: 28:28

I heard what he I heard what you heard. But I couldn't decipher whatever it was. Yeah,

Berly: 28:32

I was hoping the close guy, but it just said, wolves. Like, what did he say? Mud? Wolves? I don't know. Oh no. But anyways, it turns out Dean has been under the impression that one of them attacked Cassie el and Cassiel was, like, fighting him off somewhere. Yeah, noble. And Cass was just like, No, I ran away. I ran Yeah, okay. And then Cass explained, I have a price on my head, like it was Leviathan, like they are coming to fuck me up, so I got away from you to protect you. Oh, and Dean's just like, No, you fucking left me there to fend for myself. What the hell cas. So Cass is just like, you need to go. And Dean's like, No, we're all getting out of here. And so Benny explains, there's a loophole. It's for humans. I don't know if angels can get through though. Like, I don't know. And Dean's like, well, we're gonna fucking find out. CASS is coming with us, period. End of story. Then we're back at the auction house, and this kid comes walking up, and I called it. It was the same kid from bugs, was it? Yeah, he just had that. He just had that very that face was just a memorable face, just a sweet, sweet little face. So he comes walking up, and he's in like, a wiener hut outfit, and he's, like, explaining to everybody, like, I'm sorry, it was the closest strong vessel. Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This little teenager from wiener dog was the best thing I could grab on short notice.

Unknown: 29:47

Super out of place.

Berly: 29:50

He's standing out like he's in, like, bright red and yellow and stripes, bless his heart. And his name is simandrial, and I remembered from our Succubus lore, it's like, oh my god, semantriel has that good semen that the Succubus or Lilith, I can't remember really, really once, and this is who they cast for some managerial I don't know how you remembered that, because anything about semen, I'm gonna remember true. And then he's in the Wiener, he's in a wiener hunt. So I thought that was hilarious. I just said he's in the wiener. He's in a wiener with that good semen. I mean, it was clever.

Unknown: 30:25

I anyway,

Berly: 30:30

he comes up to Dean and is just like, bro, what the hell's going on? Like, where's Castiel? There's some of us in heaven. Like, even though he slaughtered half of us, we really think that underneath it all, he's just a good guy who feels too much like he just has too big of a heart.

LA: 30:43

He's got his heart in the right place. Just yeah, doesn't always get it

Berly: 30:47

right. He just needs some help, and we still love him. So where's he at, yo, and where's our bro and Dean's like, uh, after Dick blew on us, we got portaled to purgatory. I kept my body, and he kept his body. And so, you know, we were having to run away from these monsters because we didn't want to die, because we didn't think we would reset in Purgatory, like the monsters reset in Purgatory. So I got out that's that. Mandrell is like, Oh, that's a bummer, man. So they're all attending the auction. Sam and Dean are like, Okay, we gotta, we gotta pull, pull everything together. How much our funds? What do we have? Yeah, we gotta get everything together. So they're gonna bid. They're all pulling out all their cash and getting everything. Thing together, and then whenever Sam has it all, he's like, Okay, so we've got like, $2,000 our credit cards and a Costco membership. And I loved how it showed Mrs. Tran be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's good, trust me, that needs to be part of the bid. I got some good shit. I got some good shit, yeah. But I just love that face she made. But she's like, Yeah. And Sam's just

Unknown: 31:48

like, Okay, it's a mom move. She's, she's like, Costco. Oh yeah, that'll get him. Well, they

Berly: 31:52

start the bidding. They don't start with the tablet. I don't remember. It was some Amulet of something, oh yeah. And that was like, Okay, let's start the bidding. And the first bid is, like, 3 million tons of Dwarven gold. And they are just like, oh, fuck yeah.

LA: 32:08

Which I knew sitting there. I just kept thinking, There's no way it's gonna be money, it's gonna be souls or some shit like that.

Berly: 32:17

Thinking, yeah, Frost Giant, petrified penises. Oh yeah, Mr. Val Billy's there. Mr. Billy's there. That's why he needed his bone. So Mr. Billy is there to bid on Thor's hammer. He really wanted it, and it was weird. Whenever he got it, he was like, I missed you. So I'm like, What's the backstory to that? Yeah, who is this, Mr. Billy? But I didn't Google it, so they're just like, shit. And so Dean's like, okay, Plan B, is it gonna work on to Plan C, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. So Dean gets up and tries to go figure out if he could potentially steal the tablet. And that was kind of funny. Whenever he, like, opened the door, was like, this isn't the men's room, my bad. Goes back into the auction room. Is like, okay, yeah, that's not gonna work. We need to do Plan D. And Crowley, who is, of course, eavesdropping on everything, is like, Plan D for dumbass clever Crowley. Well then Mr. Billy bids on the hammer of Thor, and this is when we find out that he's got five eighths of a virgin. Because first He just tries to do his ice giant bone, and they're like, No, that's not gonna cut it. And then he was like, ice giant bone, and five eighths of a virgin, he's just has them in paper bags that are like, blood soaking blood, soaking through and like dripping out. I was like, gross. And he's really, he seemed real excited about, yeah, I'm like, can you imagine him, like, I hope that he can teleport, that that's part of Mr. Billy's powers, because otherwise, can you imagine him, like, walking around with his bags of bloody virgin pieces. Like, I was like, oh, so weird. Then they move on to the tablet, and Crowley built, what did he bid, like, the Mona Lisa. I think it was $3 trillion at first. Oh, I thought he started with the moment. And then Pluto's, like, Pluto's is like, I'm not interested in money. And then Alfie bid the Mona Lisa. And then Crawley was like the real Mona Lisa, the one where she's topless. Crowley bid Alaska, and Alfie bid Vatican City. And then Crowley bid the moon. He was like, You think a man named buzz goes to the moon without there being a deal? And I'm just like, What the hell. But how did they have the moon to bid? Who owned the moon that I don't know? It was just silly. Pluto's decides that he's not happy with these bids, and he's not happy that it's just these two people who are bidding back and forth. We need to make it more enticing. They snatch Kevin after having promised that it was going to be the safest place for him, liars. So he's now chained at the feet of Pluto's, and they're like, now it's gonna be a set. You get the tablet, and you get the Prophet, who's the only person on the planet who can actually read the Word of God. In reality, it's a good deal, right? I would want the set. What are you gonna do with the tablet without the Prophet? Exactly. Honestly, in hindsight, y'all should have known, yeah. So Linda is desperate. She jumps up and is like, you can have my 401, k you can have my house. What do you want? Like, I'll give you anything you want. And Pluto's is just laughing at her. Is like, I don't give a fuck about any of that. Fuck off. Then she said, You can have my soul. And Pluto's is intrigued. So then Crowley was like, a soul, I'll give you a billion souls. Pluto's just like, No, no, no, no. That's not what makes this so intriguing to me. It's the sacrifice behind it. She is offering me, quite literally, the most valuable thing she owes. And then Crowley tries to be like, Okay, well, then I'll sacrifice it's my own soul, just like you don't have a fucking soul. And Crowley just looks like, Oops, he tried. So Linda wins it, and Crowley leaves the room, not the building. He goes and finds a secret room somewhere, and just like, stashes his body away. We don't see this. We find out this is what happens later. But there's like, this secret room that he's like, you'll be safe here. My sweet, my sweet body that I love, that I'll I'll come back for you. And he smokes out. I imagine that he was just like lurking in the ventilation system, or something like waiting for his moment, right? So after the auction, Linda is talking with the Winchesters. She's asking, like, what it's like to not have a soul. And Sam. Says you'll wish you were dead. Number one, I did not get the impression that you wished you were dead at any point during season six. No, until, like, the wall breaking and all that other stuff was going on. Why wouldn't you just lie to her? Yeah, like, why wouldn't you try to comfort her or make her feel better? No, nope. Fuck that. You just won't feel anything. You won't sleep, and you'll act like a sociopath or just not tell her, just be like, Oh, you won't miss. It gonna be okay. It's gonna be fine. They like fill her with dread. And so then she says, I need a moment, so y'all leave the room and let me and my soul have a heart to heart and say goodbye to each other. We find this out later, after she gets done having her moment and tries to leave, Beau shows up and shuts her in the door and is like, nope, nope, nope, you're not going anywhere, and burns off her tattoo with just like a little cigarette lighter thing, or was it just like a Zippo or something like, you couldn't have had, like a brand or something to make it at least quick, right? You're a little demon who teleports and pops around. Why'd you so that's just like, rude. So you enjoyed torturing her. You enjoyed hurting her to burn off that tattoo. Not nice. And then Crowley possesses her. And then they go to Pluto's. Pluto is giving the Word of God and about to hand over Kevin. And then, I don't remember, Oh, they saw her arm when she reached out for the Word of God. They saw her arm, and they saw the burn, and so then her eyes go red, and she's like, hello boys, and kind of lets her know. And Mr. Billy is in there. That's when we see him with the hammer of Thor, where he's like, I missed you, and like, walking away. So all hell breaks loose. They're fighting those start shooting at them. Kevin and Sam are trying to duck the bullets. Linda, aka Crowley, goes tearing ass, running out of the room because she's got the tablet, and that's her primary concern, or his primary concern right now, Dean books it after Crowley, Sam fell behind a table, and we look over and we see Mr. Valley sitting there with his Thor hammer, and we find out Sam is apparently worthy to wield Neil Noor, not surprising. Yeah, totally picks that up. I missed kind of an important part. The reason Beau burned off Linda's anti possession tattoo is because Crowley's giving him an island. And apparently that's better than anything Pluto gives him, which, yeah, he worked for the god agreed. Yeah, you expected him to compensate you fairly for your time. Think Beau and go to a tailor. Anyway, Beau killed Pluto's Linda Tran Crowley pulled out the stake from Pluto's and threw it into the demon before she grabbed the tablet and took off running. And then Sam got mulenore and killed Bo just for shits and giggles. He also killed Mr. Billy because he was like, Where'd you get the virgin?

Unknown: 39:05

He looks good with that hammer he

Berly: 39:07

did. And I liked the lightning effect. It wasn't too much. It was just enough. It was very cool, and it was fun. I think it was Ben edland, who I heard talking on an episode of Supernatural then and now, not too far away, who are too far ago, too long ago. That's the word I was going for. And he was saying something about how by this point, the Winchesters are kind of demigods themselves, like they've died, they've been resurrected, all this other kind of stuff. So I thought that was kind of cool to see Sam wielding me or me on however you say it, meow, meow, he'd be a good

Unknown: 39:38

Thor. He could be my Thor, although I do already love the Thor. Yeah, I do already love the Thor.

Berly: 39:46

Anyway, a lot goes on in this room. So then we're outside the room, and Dean has caught Crowley, aka Linda Tran and has him up against a column and is holding the knife to her throat. Whenever Kevin comes running out, is like mom, and it distracts Dean just long enough that Crowley smokes out of Linda Tran's body, and then Crawley, all of a sudden, just comes walking out of this door opens, and he just comes walking out. And I was like, Okay, so that's that was his secret room where he stashed his body, got it, and the tablet was up against the wall right there. So he just bends over, picks up the tablet. But before he leaves, he issues a word of warning to Kevin. He's like, really, honestly, if I were you, I would run far and fast away from these two because they use people up, and then they die. Your fate's not looking so good if you stick with the Winchesters. Just word of advice. So then they're all talking to Kevin, and they're like, you know, she'll shake out of it. And Dean said, trust me, or something like that. Like, trust me. Like, it's going to be rough, but she'll be okay, or something. I was like, when did Dean get possessed? Am I just forgetting it then? Because the way he said it, it seemed like he was speaking from a from experience, like I remember Sam got possessed. The Met the mega demon possessed Sam in one episode. But I don't remember Dean being possessed by a demon. I don't either, but anywho, so they're talking with Kevin, and Kevin, you know, just like, let's look. Y'all just had this happen with Linda, where it didn't go well, leaving them in a room by themselves. But sure, let's do it again. Yeah, so that Kevin asks for some time alone with his mom. So they leave the room, and when they come back in, Kevin listened to Crowley. He left them a note that basically said, We're. We're out of here. You don't have the tablet anymore, so I don't see why you would need me. I'm out of here. And then we cut to purgatory, where we see Cass holding, I assume, Dean's hand. We don't see actually whose hand it is, but holding Dean's hand because he's saying Dean over and over again, we can assume it's Dean, but we don't actually see him, and he's just saying his name over and over, and there's, like, a bunch of light going on. So I'm guessing they're at the portal, and Dean, I guess Dean left them, yeah, like, I think that's what it looks like his hand. Yeah. It was written by Andrew dabb and Daniel Laughlin, and it was directed by John F Showalter gore. I mean, we had our blood splooge at the very beginning and the 5/8 spurgeons in the bag. Yeah, there were stakings and whatnot, but I can't think of any other Gore knows this wasn't a gory episode. No, did you adore anything about this episode?

LA: 42:19

I liked mama Linda. Mm hmm. She was, she was a good time. I

Berly: 42:23

did too. I liked her a lot. I hope we get some backstory on her? Yeah, I hope, I hope, that we see both her and Kevin again. Yeah, I like Kevin too. Yeah, I would imagine that they aren't gone this season. I can't say I adored him, but for what he was, I enjoyed Mr. Billy. Oh, true, yeah, yeah. I enjoyed that actor's portrayal and all of that. Yeah. Well, what about the lore?

LA: 42:47

Lore? We're going to talk about Plutus. Plutus, in Greek religion, is the God of abundance or wealth, a personification of plotos. Plautus. Plautus, sure, Greek for riches, according to Hesiod, Plutus was born in Crete, the son of Demeter, the Olympian goddess of the harvest and agriculture, presiding over crops, grains, food and the fertility of the earth. His daddy. What was it? I Asian? I Asian? Yeah, who, according to Homer and Hesiod, lay with Demeter in a fallow field. It's a fallow field. I don't know. Let me google it. Okay. Well, anyway, I'm gonna keep going lay in a fallow field that had been thrice plowed. Ooh, there's,

Berly: 43:34

I bet Demeter was thrice pound. Oh, that's why they had the mailbox stick it three times in our box, or the mailman plowed and Harrowed but left unsewn for a period in order to restart its fertility as part of a crop rotation, or to avoid surplus production.

LA: 43:53

Okay? Well, their son was Plutus, the wealth within the soil, according to adopt a doppelurus, Apollodorus I Asian, attempted to ravish the goddess and was struck by lightning hurled by Zeus and Ovid's metamorphosis, or metamorphosis? Yeah, I don't know. Book nine, I Asian lives, and Demeter is unsettled by his aging.

Berly: 44:18

Oh, god, me too. Girl, yeah, my aging unsettles me every day, same. But you know what? We made it this long. So true. We should be grateful for it.

LA: 44:26

In art, Plutus appears chiefly as a child with a cornucopia in company with Demeter and Persephone. In Aristophanes Pluto, he is blind and cannot tell good from evil until his sight is restored. To ancient depictions of Plutus, one of him as a little boy standing with a cornucopia before Demeter and another inside the Cornucopia being handed to Demeter by a goddess rising out of the earth, perhaps implying that he had been born in the underworld. Were interpreted by Carl kirany Kyra knee sure to mean that Plutus was supposed to be the son of Pluto or Hades and Persephone, the king and the queen of the underworld, though no such version is attested in any primary source and the philosophized mythology of the later classical period, Plutus is envisaged by Aristophanes as blinded by Zeus so that he would be able to dispense his gifts without prejudice. He is also lame as he takes his time arriving and winged, so he leaves faster than he came. Why

Berly: 45:30

can't he fly there? Yeah, I don't

LA: 45:32

know. When the god sight is restored. In Aristophanes comedy, he is then able to determine who is deserving of wealth creating havoc. Phaedrus records a fable where, after Hercules is received in Olympus. He greets all the gods, but refuses to greet Plutus, rude when the King of Gods, Jupiter, asks him why, he replies that he hates the God of riches due to Plutus favoring the wicked and the corrupt. Well, ooh, among the illusion. Hopefully, that's right, figures painted on Greek ceramics, regardless of whether he is depicted as a child or youthful if Phoebe effaby e Feeney think effab Sounds right, Plutus can be identified as the one bearing the cornucopia, the horn of plenty in Lucian of Samos sotas The. Empirical dialog. Timon Timon Timon Timon Timon Plutus, the very embodiment of worldly goods written up in a parchment will says to Hermes, it is not Zeus who sends me, but Hades, who has his own ways of conferring wealth and making presents. Hades and Plutus are not unconnected. You see, when I am to flit from one house to another, they lay me on parchment, seal me up, carefully, make a parcel of me and take me round. Sounds like a good time, alright? The dead man lies in some dark corner, shrouded from the knees upward in an old sheet and the cats fighting for possession of him. Wow. Those who have expectations of me in the public place, gaping as wide as young sallow swallows that scream for their mother's return,

Berly: 47:16

that's fucking weird. Plutus, yeah,

LA: 47:20

probably the inspiration for today's episode, however, is canto seven of Dante's Inferno in it, Plutus is a demon of wealth who guards the fourth circle of hell, the hoarders and the wasters. Dante likely included Plutus to symbolize the evil of hoarding wealth. He is known for saying the famous phrase, pape, Pape Satan. Pape Satan. Aleppy. The line is famous for the uncertainty of its meaning, and there have been many attempts to interpret it. Modern commentators on the inferno view it as some kind of demonic invocation to Satan. Great, I'm glad. I just glad I just said it out

Berly: 47:58

loud, pop I sat on and all over me. Oh, seal me up in parchment and send me round. What do you say? The hand me off to everybody. Is that what they're doing in that? That's what I pictured.

Unknown: 48:10

Yeah, they just, they parcel him and take him around.

Berly: 48:14

Ludus, you fucking weirdo. I understand why they didn't spend much time on him in the episode, yeah.

Unknown: 48:21

Complicated

Berly: 48:23

coach. Close it out. It's from Castiel. Whenever Dean finds him, and he asks Cassie l like, how you how you doing there, bud, how's that brain? Castiel says, I'm perfectly sane. But then 94% of psychotics think they're perfectly sane. So I guess we have to ask ourselves, what is sane? Let me tell y'all don't ask Pluto. Is he weird? Cheers. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares. Follow

LA: 48:53

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