Bonus: Gamble-Era Chat

Over drinks, Berly and LA chat about seasons six and seven of Supernatural. Thank you to those who submitted your thoughts on these seasons.  Now, let's get tipsy!  CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞

Summary: Berly and LA discuss their progress through "Supernatural," having completed seven seasons and two showrunners. They delve into Sera Gamble's background, highlighting her career from stage productions to TV writing, including her role as showrunner for seasons six and seven. They express mixed feelings about the Gamble era, noting inconsistencies and character regressions, but also appreciating standout episodes like "Clap Your Hands If You Believe" and "The French Mistake." They anticipate season eight, with Dean in Purgatory and Sam alone, and speculate on potential new characters and plotlines. They also thank their Patreon supporters and preview upcoming bonus episodes.

Resources:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sera_Gamble

Transcript

Berly: 0:01

Ellie, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy Exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode,

LA: 0:10

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 0:17

I'm Burleigh, and I'm a new fan of the series. I'm

LA: 0:20

LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get Tipsy.

Berly: 0:26

Hello, LA, hey, Burley, I went ahead and purchased from Mr. James Patrick Stewart, oh, a cameo. Yeah. I told him I was like, we're we're finishing season seven, and I really liked it whenever you said that you love a muffin. And so I would like you to talk more about loving muffins. Innuendo encouraged, no, and so I was gonna play the video for you. Okay,

Unknown: 0:54

hello to the denim wrapped nightmares. Is it Burley in law or Beverly and Laverne? Listen. I'm James Patrick Stewart, reaching out to you from beautiful Portland, Oregon, where I live with my family. I was just running out to grab some Christmas ornaments. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Listen, I gather you guys just finished season seven, Dick Roman makes an appearance. He's the head of the leviathans. And among other things, he enjoys a muffin. Well, who doesn't enjoy a muffin? You know, first thing in the morning a glistening, glazed muffin, I hope wherever you guys are, you're having a Merry Christmas, glad to know you finished season seven. Sounds to me like you've got a few more seasons to go. That show ran forever, and I was blessed to be a part of it. I auditioned, what, 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and I had some fake teeth that I used in a previous job, and I liked wearing them because they allowed me to smile while looking crazy in the eyes and and the producers dug it too. So happy to be part of the supernatural family. Now go have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and enjoy the rest of the series. See you around campus, you guys, that was cute.

Berly: 2:26

He enjoys a glazed muffin. I was like,

Unknown: 2:30

okay, man, okay, I know

Berly: 2:38

it was cute, though it's cute. Yeah, we're gonna start telling people those are our new alias. Our aliases are Beverly and liver. When we go out and people and we don't know anybody, we're gonna start telling them we're Beverly and liver and for now, right? I like it goodness. We've survived. We're not halfway through the series yet, though, because there's fifth round seasons. Yeah, we've made it through seven. Though we have made it through half the show runners. Though I think there's only two more show runners after this. Oh, nice. So when we started our little our little podcast here, we did a background on Eric Kripke, we talked about him creating supernatural and whenever we did our Kripke extravaganza at the end of season five, we talked a little bit more about what he was going on to do and how he was still going to be kind of involved in season six, but for the most part, was happily passing on the torch so he could go do other things, but we did not talk about Miss Sarah gamble. So now that we have finished seasons six and seven, we're going to talk about this show runner, Miss Sarah gamble. And LA has done some research on that.

LA: 3:57

Yes, this is pretty much from her Wikipedia, because there was not much information on this. Sarah gambling,

Berly: 4:05

yeah, I was shocked, like there aren't that many female show runners, so I thought there was going to be more good luck. Whatever you said, I'll do it well. I was a little disappointing. So I mean, her Wikipedia

LA: 4:22

is informative, for sure, but it's just like I I was kind of bummed that there wasn't more out there about her, all right. Well, here's what I got. She was born in New York City and was briefly raised in Cincinnati before moving to Redlands, California, and she graduated from UCLA School of theater, film and television, but before turning to film and television, gamble started stage productions of will strip for food in Los Angeles and Dublin, Ireland, she produced and starred in a stage production of Eve of paradise, written and directed by Rael Tucker. I don't know if I'm saying that right, but. She also started in a short film written by or written and directed by Tucker entitled The clay man. The film was based on a short story by gamble. Oh, nice. She has published several works of literary short fiction, including stories published by the Journal Washington Square on nerve.com and anthologized in the 2006 and 2007 editions of the best American erotica and the dark gothic collection bitten. Ooh, I might have to check that out, right. So Gamble's career in Hollywood began when she appeared as a finalist on the second season of Project Green Light in 2003 she was hired as a writer on the short lived ABC series eyes. Following that series cancelation, she was hired as a writer and story editor on the CW series supernatural. She was part of the writing team for its first seven seasons. She contributed some 30 scripts for the series and was made an executive producer in season five. At the end of the fifth season, creator Eric Kripke stepped down as head writer of the series, and gamble was chosen as his successor. As we know, she served as a series show in her beginning with the sixth season and ending with the end of the seventh season, she chose to step down from her post as show earner and executive producer on Supernatural at the end of the seventh season in order to focus on developing other material for Warner Brothers television, including pilots for ABC and the CW Television networks. She worked as a writer and executive producer for two seasons on the NBC period drama Aquarius, and while working together on the new Aquarius series, she and John McNamara co created an executive produced the television adaptation of Lev Grossman's New York Times best selling novel The Magicians for the Sci Fi network. Oh,

Berly: 6:53

hi, yeah, I've heard a lot about the magicians, but I've never watched it. Is it cute? It is I

LA: 6:58

watched, I think I watched the first two seasons. I really liked it. I just, there's no reason it's that I just kind of it went out of my mind. I never got back to it, yeah, but I liked it, okay. But she and McNamara and Alexander Cunningham then formed the production company, fabrication together gamma and Greg verlanti co created an executive produced the television adaptation of Caroline, kept me, kept missus, best selling novel you, gamble, was the primary show showrunner of the series you was initially renewed for a second season by time before this first season aired. The first season of you began airing on lifetime in September of 2018 which I did not know Me neither. I thought it always been on Netflix same but it says he it said gathering positive reviews from the New York Times, New Yorker and Los Angeles Times. December 3, it was announced that the series would move to Netflix as a Netflix Original after lifetime reneged on the renewal deal. So that's what happened there. The second season was released exclusively on Netflix. And then in January 2021 it was announced that gamble and Berlin Berlanti would reunite to develop a television series based on the novel Providence by the same author for peacock. Peacock. Oh, okay. Gamble is married to Eric Weiss. Their wedding took place in September 2019, and they currently reside in Los Angeles, California. That's all I got for Miss Gamble.

Berly: 8:32

I do like her Instagram.

LA: 8:33

I did too when I went to it, when I was searching for information, yeah, she seems I like her. She

Berly: 8:39

seems cute. She shares a lot of cool memes in her stories and stuff. So she's, she's been making TV for a while. Yeah, some good TV. And she's the show. She's the show runner at you, right? Or for you. And she still does. You only talked about the third season, and they're doing isn't the fourth one coming,

LA: 8:57

I think so, yeah, but they didn't, didn't get it, given information, any information on that, I should have looked

Berly: 9:02

that up. It doesn't say she stepped down either. So probably safer. She's

Unknown: 9:07

still, yeah, I would think so it's done. Well,

Berly: 9:10

I don't think I finished the third season. Is that the one where he's the professor? Oh, I think so. I don't think I watched that one either. I didn't finish it. I started it, and same thing like you were talking about with the magicians. It's just that I got busy, and whenever I had some time to sit down and watch TV, it didn't cross my mind. To put that right, there was something else that grabbed my attention. First, we'll have to catch up well before we start talking more about our thoughts on the gamble era. I asked for feedback from our Patreon members, and if they had any thoughts they would like to share about the gamble era. So first we have Shannon. She said, I hate to say anything negative about a female led era, but they just weren't the best. Solist. Sam solest. Brody and slip there so less Sam was meh, and it's one of the seasons I don't like re watching seven is a bit better, but they make Dean so dumb, even though he's not and just the dynamic isn't there. With that said, I do think they all found their stride in the last few episodes of season seven, because they are really good, and it leads to an excellent season eight. Oh, that's Shannon's thoughts. Next we have SP, they said season six had its moments, but after how amazing five was, I always thought it just felt disjointed, like they didn't know where to take the show after crypkey era ended, understandable, since it was originally supposed to end there, and the soulless Sam pop line, I can't talk today, plot line went on too long, making the brothers dynamic just off for too much of the season. As for season seven. I might be alone in this, but I really like it. I hated that they killed Bobby and yeah, leviathans were kind of silly, but I enjoyed that the show went back to its campy roots. I also think it did a good job showing how both brothers were struggling mentally in their own ways, Sam with his hallucinations and Dean with depression after losing Cass and Lisa and Ben at the end of last season. Then Bobby All right, so that's what SP said. And we have some common themes going on here. And then puppy mom oh six said, frankly, I don't love them, as Richard spate Jr has pointed out on Supernatural then and now, there's some really not great episodes, and the principal characters are having regressions in their development. I also think the fandom is being played because suddenly everything Dean and Cass say to each other is really sexually charged and kind of ridiculous. We seriously weren't this uncool about two guys dating in 2011 to 2012 I really love seasons one through five, so maybe I am biased. This is difficult for me to say, because I want to be supportive of women as show leaders. One of the pods pointed out these seasons were fresh ground, because the original arc was five seasons, so she was given a difficult task. I think a lot of that is fair. Yeah, season six, especially, I struggled with season six. I was like, What's the point? Once all was said and done, I liked the whole McGuffin that we thought it was going to be about the alphas and this other stuff, and then it ended up actually being about cast trying to get more souls so he had more power. I think they retconned to that. I don't think that was the plan from the beginning, because they did that. They wasted Eve. Eve, yeah, been Yeah, you're right. It was phenomenally played by Julio Maxwell. It was a really cool idea for a monster, and we got her in what three episodes, and then she was gone. That was a waste of a character, that was a waste of a big bad I wish, yeah, you know, I

LA: 13:14

agree, because even when I was looking back the episodes to find ones for our favorites, and I skimmed through and it's it mentioned Eve. I was like, Oh yeah, totally forgot about her. Like, the way they brought her about, it was exciting. And you thought this was, like, going to be like, you said, big bad, but nope, she was kind of given a difficult task to take on, and took them a bit to find their footing, you know, taking over. But wasn't

Berly: 13:38

terrible. No, no. And like, I 100% agree, gamble era, not as strong as crypto era. 100% 100% I just with the way I've seen people talking about, oh season six, oh season seven. I expected so much worse than what we got. But I didn't either. I didn't either, even with season seven, like there was, there was some fun things about it, as far as regressions and development, I that personally doesn't always bother me when it's done well, because the fact of the matter is, people regress, right? It happens. I mean, we all wish that development was a one way street, and once you made it to this thing that that was it. You're healed, you're good, you move on, and you grow and just but people regress. They just do like, I know so many people were so mad at the end of Game of Thrones, whenever Jamie Lannister went back to Cersei. And I was like, that made sense to me, if you haven't been in an abusive relationship before, that might not make sense to you, but to someone who has been in an abusive relationship and has known other people in abusive relationships, the first time you try to leave them, it doesn't always stick, so the regressions don't always bother me, and I actually felt like Dean and Cass's energy was. Less sexually charged and more just melodramatic. Yeah, here's your trench coat back. Like, just, it did seem like there was fan service going on there. Like, like we're suddenly being told they're best friends and they're so close. I believed why we got there, because he committed to their cause and all that other stuff during the apocalypse. So I was like, Okay, I'm going to buy it. But yeah, there was, there was some stuff with them that was a little melodramatic, not so badly that I got taken out of it. But I can definitely see the comment of thinking that there might have been a little bit of fan service going on there. Yeah, you know, yeah, it couldn't have been easy trying to figure out what to do with the brothers, because from season one, it's always been that Sam was going to have his Anakin Luke Skywalker moment, where he's destined for darkness and yada yada yada. And those show's entire premise had its arc, and it ended in season five, so to have to figure out where to go with that. Now the sola Sam thing, I think it's funny that this, that one of them said, I can't remember which one, but one of them said that it went on too long. It was either in the special features for season six, or I heard it in a panel that sola Sam was actually supposed to go on for even longer. Oh, and, and they cut that storyline short because Jensen didn't like not having his scene partner who he had become so accustomed to bouncing off of, and it made him feel uncomfortable in his portrayal because he didn't have his constant you know, I think I actually recall them saying they cut that short for that reason. But yeah, yeah. I mean, now that we've kind of come to a close, and I'm sitting here going back and processing everything far weaker than any of the seasons in the first five well, like, like you said, not bad. And there was never a point where we finished an episode and I was like, Oh, I don't even care what happens next. Like, I never felt like that. I was always curious what's going to happen next. I want to see how this ends. I'm still into it. I am definitely interested to see how it changes under the next show runner. Yeah, we haven't brought it up in a little bit, I don't think. But while we were going through our seasons, I tried to be extra diligent and go write down ideas for episodes in our spin off, our American horror stories, spin off idea, and I came up with 18, one of which I know actually has, if not a script, a concept already in mind, because I found out about that during an episode of Supernatural then And now. So the first one I have in season six, Episode, Live Free or twi hard, those two little girl vampire twins that were in the visions that the Alpha was pushing out. Mm, hmm. We still know who. Who are they? Yeah, who those? Who those little bitches? Did they? I still want to know. Did they kill all those hunters? Who were they? So I would like to add episode to explain who are these two little vampire kids that are running around everywhere with the alpha in these visions. Why was it important for him to push out to his vampire children like, look, look at these two little girls. Because they weren't they weren't his food like the girl that we meet later on, they were vampires. They had the teeth. They had the teeth. Who are they? Yeah, so I was like an episode on them, and then I did lucky. From season six, all dogs went to heaven. We saw lucky running around the streets all by him lonesome. Did he find a new family? I hope so. You know, do you though?

Unknown: 18:49

Maybe a dog family and dog

Berly: 18:51

like, yeah, did he? Did he make a pack? Maybe, I don't know, season six. Clap your hands if you believe. I want to see Dean in the fairy realm.

Unknown: 19:03

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.

Berly: 19:07

Even if it was a very short episode, I want to see what happens. They could have they could have it be him in the fairy realm, showing up, guns blazing, doing whatever, whatever happens to him while he's gone, because he was gone for a while. So whatever happens there, and maybe even show like, after they decide to kick him out, them talking about him afterwards, being like, what the you know, or whatever, I think that could be funny. I would like to see an episode on that. Okay, so this is the one that I had written down, and I heard Ben edland say that he had actually had this somewhat fleshed out. So I think that's I think that's cool. So in the French mistake you and I talked about this while we were watching it. If there was a Jensen and a Jared that existed in this other world, this other realm that Sam and Dean got sent to, where did that? Jared and Jensen go while Sam and Dean were in this other realm, you know what happened to them? Right? And so Ben edland was saying that he kind of had an idea that maybe, like Crowley took them or and was, and was kind of babysitting them or something, and that he had some other ideas as to what happened to the Jared and Jensen of French mistake. That would be fun. I would like to see it. The other question I had was Virgil. Do you remember Virgil in that episode, the Hitman angel who got sent after them? Oh, yeah, and then he didn't have powers anymore. He got he got stuck, he got left behind. Oh, what's his life like? Yeah, what did Virgil do? Did he actually get a job as a stunt man or an extra on the set? Did he stick around? I would like to know what happened to Virgil. Did some did, like, nobody go save him? Did Raphael go get him? Like, nothing. We don't know. I'm curious. And then frontier land, I would like to see Samuel Colt get the BlackBerry and figure out the BlackBerry in order to go mail the package. I would like to see that. I would also like to see the Phoenix meet his wife and fall in love with his wife.

Unknown: 21:16

Oh, yeah, right.

Berly: 21:20

Okay, I don't feel like there's one that you've fallen in love with yet. Okay, season six. I also have, how did Sam and Samuel meet? Oh, yeah, we Yeah, yeah, I want to see that. Did he just show up and be like, Hi, Sam Winchester, I'm Samuel Campbell. I'm your dead grandpa revived from heaven. Do you want to come hunt with me. What happened there? How did they reunite? Because that's just too weird. And then anything with Doctor physiak, yes, I want to see her. Yeah, her whole timeline, her whole life, right? Yeah, her background, yeah, yeah. We know she kills HB, Lovecraft. What did she do next? Who were all these lovers that she was talking about, how did she acquire Excalibur sword and all that other stuff. Dr physiak, give me, give me same thing with Frank. Yes,

Unknown: 22:09

yes, yes. Okay,

Berly: 22:10

so you like those two? I want a frank episode. Just a frank episode. I don't think you're going to like this idea, but I do have it on the list. I'm curious what happened to Lisa and Ben after Dean left for good. Yeah, you know how much of their memory got wiped. They're in the suburbs, little worried, a little worried about them, you know, like, what happened to y'all? Okay, this was yours. This was one of your ideas, uh, in Shut up Doctor Phil Dawn and Maggie Stark, the two witches that were married together, their backstory, or what happened to them afterwards? Did they stay together? Oh, this one was mine. Time for a wedding, season seven. Time for a wedding. This is a deep cut. There was a scene where Garth was talking to the woman who was the CEO's wife, and the demon was trying to come and kill her. And kill her, and so Garth was like, I'm gonna take you to my cousin. He's a sharp shooter and amputee kind of thing. I

Unknown: 23:09

wanna, yeah, yeah. I wanna see the

Berly: 23:12

wife go be with the cousin amputee and that and that guy, that Hunter protector, and I mean, ideally fall in love and run away together like I would like to. I want to see that. Yes, me too. Season sevens adventure and babysitting Chrissy, the girl who had the hunter dad her going to college and growing up and maybe becoming a little bit of a badass. Yeah, that could be a fun thing. This was yours. Season Seven, time after time, Kronos and Lila love story, good love story. This was mine. This was a deep cut, too. That Mackie guy who was like, yeah, like he was a healer. I was going to be gone. Mackey, the taxidermy Hunter. Why not? I would like a day in his life. Give me a day in the taxidermy Hunter life. Let me see him stuff a werewolf, I don't know. And then season seven, Daphne and Emmanuel her finding naked Cassiel on the trail and taking him in. Yeah, yeah, give me, give me my overboard episode where we actually get to see this happen. It'd be fun. And we have Charlie's backstory that would be interesting, because she left little clues that she has quite the history. Yeah. So it'd be fun to see. And then I put that for Meg's new vessel as well. Like I said, we know who Meg masters was. That isn't who this vessel is. I think I remember her saying that she wanted to be an actress or something in one of the episodes, but I might be making that up. And then the last episode that I have, number 18 that we would like to see, and again, it's a character that I would like to see more of their history. Our girl, Annie, Annie slutting it up, Annie and her conquests. Did you? Can you think of anything? I forgot, no, those are all. Those are good. I thought so, yeah, I like going through these because, you know, whenever they give you things like this to think about and be like, Oh, I would have liked to have seen more. That's where I just kind of think, like this kind of illustrates, in my opinion, that these seasons were not trash, like some people might act like, no, they're not as strong as one through five. I agree with that 100% but I don't think they deserve the strong criticism that they get either. Yeah, I don't think so. All right, so wrapping it up, favorite episodes and why are you ready? Yes, okay, what's your first one? And these don't have to be in a specific order.

LA: 26:00

Well, I see your list and I my first one is the same as yours. Is it really? Uh huh.

Berly: 26:06

I Okay. So our first one is season six, episode nine. Clap your hands if you believe so, why? Why is that one on your list?

LA: 26:14

I just liked dealing with a fairy, and then the elves working in the shop, and then hiding when people came in, and just the UFO stuff. I just, it was a quirky episode. I liked it. It

Berly: 26:24

was a very quirky episode. Whenever I was looking like, thinking back over season seven and six, there were a bunch of things that were coming to my mind where I was like, Oh, I really liked this moment. But it wasn't necessarily an entire episode. You know what? I mean? I had a lot of those where there was a certain scene in an episode that I really loved, but I didn't necessarily love the entire thing or whatever. So what I tried to do with picking my favorites of the gamble era is I tried to think back on the episodes that when we hit stop at the end, I was excited. I was I was excited and I was ready, like, Let's go talk about it that. So those were the ones I was trying to remember. And I may have missed some, but clap your hands if you believe I distinctly remember that being the first episode of season six that we were excited to come upstairs and talk about we loved so many choices, like you said, just the whimsy of the episode in and of itself. But John Showalter made so many cool choices as a director in telling the story. They did some cool shit with the color saturation the elves in the workshop theme, like I still think they did. They had to have done something, because it just looked like a little fairy tale in there, like just, yeah, so that's, that's why I have that as my first one. Alright, what's your what's your second

Unknown: 27:49

one time of season six. But

Berly: 27:51

to be clear, you don't have to pick everything from season six. You don't have to pick anything from season six. It's, it's the entire gamble era. What are your three

LA: 28:01

episodes that might not, I think this one might be on your list too. Hold on. Don't worry about

Berly: 28:05

it. We can repeat. Okay, the French mistake. Ah, yes, I knew that one would be on your list. Yeah, that, that one, I think, makes a lot of lists for being just a top episode of television period.

LA: 28:18

Really, I could see it, it's, it it's, it was, it was just so well done, so clever. And in a way, it seems like it's kind of an obvious thing they could have done, but the way they did it, I thought was done really well. And it was fun.

Berly: 28:31

I agree, I thought, I thought that was a fun one. The script was phenomenal. It was a lot of exposition, a lot of talking, but you don't get bored a single second during the episode, yeah, the dramatic death of crypkey, whenever they put him into slow mo and all that other stuff. Yeah, that was a fun little touch that I'm sure the director decided upon. But no, I agree with you. I agree with you. That's That's obviously going to be one of the best episodes of the gamble era, if not one of the best episodes of supernatural period. My second one that I put same reason, it was one that I remembered whenever it ended being excited to come and talk about it, and that was actually the season seven premiere episode one, meet the new boss. And it was directed by Phil secrecia. He just did a lot of Ode to horror. In that episode, we had that scene where Dean was trying to straighten out the hood of the car, and he like rotated the camera around the scene where Sam, the chain came and got him and circled around his neck and pulled him up to the ceiling, and all that angles and Cass's belly with the belly stretch, and there's just a lot of horror going on in that episode that was cool to kind of go back to the horror movie roots so strongly, like they've always kind of done little touches here and there, but that was, in my opinion, a lot of horror. And I. Loved that. All right, what's your third time after time? I figured, yeah,

Unknown: 30:06

so predictable.

Berly: 30:09

Well, I watched you watch the episode, so I knew that was one that you were excited about and you enjoyed. Yeah, I

LA: 30:16

liked it was different. I liked that it touched on a lot of like old film noir and aspects, and the story was fun, and the costumes were love,

Berly: 30:24

yeah, yeah. So, speaking of costumes, I gotta, I gotta give a shout out to frontier land too. I that I contemplated that one for I figured, I thought that was one. I figured you would, yeah, that was one. I thought was going to be on your list. Um, Frontier lands a pretty good one. That's, that's one of, yeah, that's on my list. Here. I have frontier land. I also have season seven, episode four, defending your life. That was the one with Osiris, the judge. I thought about that one too. Yes, I really enjoyed that one. I really enjoyed that one. And then the other episodes I had on here as ones that made me excited. I think they hit a home run with the season finale for both season six and season seven, I agree. Yeah, they they hit it out of the park. There may have been some shaky ground in the middle, but for both seasons, whenever we got to the end, we wrapped it up. And we're like, Alright, let's go. Like, ready to go. Those were the season six, Episode 20, Episode 22 The Man Who Knew Too Much, Cassie L and Crowley are opening the thing and fighting with Raphael, and they just blow up Raphael, and, you know, he becomes God and is like, bow to me and all that other kind of stuff. And then season seven, Episode 23 survival of the fittest, when Dick blew his load, yeah, yeah. I think that's a pretty we were pretty much on the same page. The only thing that you name, yeah, I don't have on my list was French mistake. Which only reason why I didn't list French mistake is because I knew that was a given for you. I knew you were definitely going to mention French mistake. I thought you were going to do French mistake time after time in frontier land. Those were the three I thought you were.

LA: 32:08

Yeah, I also considered the Shut up Dr Phil one, just because that one cracked me up. But yeah,

Berly: 32:13

you enjoyed that one thoroughly. Yeah, yeah, cute. It was very cute.

LA: 32:18

I mean, despite everybody's criticisms, there were some pretty good like singular episodes in there. You know, I agree,

Berly: 32:25

I agree. It's just the overall arc is where it seems like in both seasons or more. So in season six, I think that they thought they were heading a certain way and then decided to change it. And I don't think that change was bad necessarily, but just being somebody who was along for the ride, it was uncomfortable. Like it was like, Where, where are we going? Like, what, what is happening? I think it was clever that they did that whole MacGuffin thing, and we're like, oh, it was actually this all along. But I do hate that they wasted Eve. Yeah, me too. I think they could have just had it be the whole alphas thing, hunting the alphas, using the alphas to find Purgatory and save Eve for another day. Because that character, she was wonderful, Julia Maxwell, deserved to be a big bad for a season, and she got cut short. So that's that's my biggest problem with season six and then season seven. I like that they leaned into the camp, but I feel like they could have done an episode every once in a while to remind us that leviathans were actually scary and could actually fuck you up. Yeah, and I was a little confused with the leviathans, like, there just seemed to be some inconsistencies, like they were making, they made a statement flat out in season six about how, ooh, the rules have changed. And I, I straight up said, okay, like, I'm a little upset because you just spent five seasons building this world where we've learned these rules and whatnot, and now you're telling me, Oh, just kidding, the rules have changed. But I was willing to go along for the ride, but then y'all changed shit again, like, within two seasons. You know, we, we meet the alphas in season six, and the Alpha Shape Shifter doesn't have to touch you in order to shape shift. Remember, because we were like, oh, fuck whenever it just changed. But then leviathans, who are supposedly what shape shifters and everything were made from, they do have to have DNA in order to change. And then Eve, she didn't have to touch anybody or get their DNA, because she changed into Mary, like the Alpha did, remember. So there's just some little inconsistencies that whenever I sit here and actually let myself process everything, and I'm like, Hmm, again, if you're going to change the rules, I'm along for the ride, but fucking be consistent with it then, yeah, but yeah, I mean, overall, I still enjoyed them. I'm ready to move on to the next season. What? Okay, so when we ended season seven, Dean and Cass are in Purgatory, and Cass just kind of pieced out and left Dean alone. Yeah. And Sam was abandoned in sucro Corp by himself, and Crowley kidnapped Kevin and Meg. What? Where do you think we're going in season eight? I mean, obviously Dean has to get out of purgatory. Dean and Cass have to get like, I don't even know. You don't even know. I

LA: 35:17

don't, but I get it'll be interesting. Since they are all kind of separated, it seems like how they'll all come back together eventually. I'll be curious see how that goes down, how it's going to happen, or what's going to go on. What do you do? You have anything?

Berly: 35:30

Well, like, I was trying to think I was like, so did Sam get that ritual that Cass used to open purgatory whenever he, like, sucked up all the Leviathan souls? Like, is he gonna go and find that like, find more of Dr vissak blood and do that ritual? Like, is it just gonna be that easy? But doesn't seem like it should be that easy, though. Um, there is a character who I remember from whenever I was trying to start paying attention all that, all those years ago, and I think I haven't Googled it, but I think they meet him in Purgatory. I think we're about to meet this new character who you're going to be a fan of. Oh, okay, you're going to like him, all right. I believe we are about to meet Benny the vampire. Okay, Benny. I'll look out for Benny. Benny. Benny, the vampire. So I know, I think that's coming, and I know, I know Dean gets out of purgatory, but I don't know how, and I can't remember anything about Sam, so I don't, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of at a loss as to what's going to come this next season. You know, toward the end of season one, we know we're hunting yellow wise. And for the end of season two, we know all these demons just escaped out of hell. And for the end of season three, we know Lilith and Dean's gone to hell, and, you know, whatever. So I don't know, maybe, maybe it is kind of feeling like a little bit like the end of season three, I guess because Dean was in hell and Sam was left alone. But Sam had Bobby at the end of season three. He doesn't have anyone now, right? Our predictions are shitty, Nostradamus. We are not no that is for sure. But I'm still I'm excited. I'm excited for season eight, if, like I said a long time ago, if this was the worst of it and we're done with it, that's awesome, right? Because it wasn't that bad, and we survived. So on to the next so thank you everybody for listening. If you support us on Patreon, thank you so much. In order for us to keep this show running and not have all of the costs be completely out of pocket, we definitely appreciate your support. If you want to check out our Patreon, you can go to patreon.com/d, W N pod, and to close it out, we would like to toast to our Bobby members over on Patreon. So thank you very much to Kara styler, Jordan, Jasmine, armadillo, cat, Puppy mom 06 Alicia Wooten, Shannon, saldan, Emily Williams, basket of daisies, Ellen McCarthy, Theresa Hampton, Patricia Holland and James defrange. Thank you all so much for your support, and we have some bonus episodes coming around the corner. We got some interviews with people from seasons six and seven, so stay tuned for those cheers.

Unknown: 38:40

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Berly: 38:43

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