Out with the Old (7x16)

Berly and LA recap the season seven Supernatural episode, Out with the Old. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy!  CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞

Summary: In the episode "Out with the Old," Sam and Dean investigate a series of bizarre deaths linked to cursed objects. A ballerina's gruesome death kicks off the investigation, leading them to Portland. They discover that the objects, including pointe shoes and a gramophone, are possessed by a leviathan named Joyce, who is using them to take over a town for a research center. Joyce is killed by Sam, but her assistant, George, survives and reveals Dick's involvement. The episode ends with Frank's trailer trashed and him missing, hinting at further complications. The discussion also touches on real-life cursed objects like the Annabelle doll and the Hope Diamond.

Resources:

• https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Out_With_The_Old
• https://www.halloweencostumes.com/blog/p-41-19-real-and-allegedly-cursed-objects.aspx

Transcript

Berly: 0:01

Ellie, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy Exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode,

LA: 0:10

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 0:17

I'm Burleigh, and I'm a new fan of the series. I'm

LA: 0:20

LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get

Berly: 0:26

Tipsy. Hello, LA, hey. Burley, on our last episode, Repo Man, we flashed back to four years ago where we saw Sam and Dean defeating a demon, but then in the present time, his very notable, killings were starting up again, and when they thought it was the demon, turns out that it was actually the man the demon had possessed, Jeffrey, guest star, Russell Sams, who had started killing. Turns out, he was recruited. He had potential, and he was the monster.

LA: 1:00

Oh, I have to say I did not appreciate all the chubby jokes, right? That went down. I meant to say that in the episode rude body shaming

Berly: 1:09

stuff, yeah, I did not like that. And also, I have to say, Whoever came up with chubby chaser? Why is that? What you call it? Because I thought a chubby was like a half erection. Well, because the person's chubby that they're after, I know, but like, if that wasn't the first that's not the person that comes to my mind when chubby, yeah, well, today's episode, I'm turning it over to La because I needed a break. Well,

LA: 1:34

this episode is titled. Why do I always say like, titled? Just titled

Berly: 1:40

stamp that's your stamp on it

LA: 1:42

out with the old and it is the 16th episode of season seven, and it aired on March, 16, 2012, it starts out in a dance studio in Portland, and these little prima Ballerinas are all being a little snarky about this other girl That's not there, right? Irina, I think her name was, yeah, and so they're just being, she needs alone

Berly: 2:06

time. They were saying,

LA: 2:07

yeah, she doesn't want to practice with us. They're packing up their stuff. Irina walks in and they make a comment that she's in there late, and she's like, practice makes perfect, which, I mean, I'm a blamer. She wants practice on her own, right? You know, who cares? The ladies take off. Little snarky bitches take off. Mind your business, ladies? Yeah. So Irina sits down, starts putting on her pointe shoes.

Berly: 2:31

We were both like, Okay, this is some major prima ballerina, but she carries her point shoes in a plastic grocery bag. They

LA: 2:37

yo, thank you. On it. You don't have a dance bag. It's like, Irina, maybe that's why they're talking

Berly: 2:42

like, what's going on here? Get your shit together. Oh, weird.

LA: 2:47

So as as she's putting on her shoes and getting ready to dance, we keep flashing to the janitor outside in the hallway, and he's using a mop to mop up the floor. So she starts dancing, and she's just doing her beautiful ballet, and then out of nowhere, she just, kind of like, stumbles into the bar, and then it's very obvious she's panicking, and that her feet are moving without her Yeah, consent, yeah. So her feet are just out of control. She's, I mean, she's staying upright, but her legs are just not her own. At this point she'll be twirling, and then he's out there twirling the mop, yeah, and twisting, and like she's kind of following all of his movements that he's doing out there when he's mopping. And then I don't know why I'm laughing. It's not funny. It's terrible.

Berly: 3:34

I was not expecting it, like we just randomly get a blood splash, yeah?

LA: 3:38

Like, it's pretty big, pretty big. Yeah. Like poor janitor is out there and hears her scream, and then there's blood splatter splooge on the door, and he opens the door. There's blood all over the walls. And then she's laying on the floor, and down by her feet. There are no feet anymore, but a lot of blood, a big pool of blood, and then her pointe shoes are just sitting there, clean, Crystal clean, clear of any blood, right?

Berly: 4:08

It's our 57th blood splooge of the supernatural series. And yeah, it was a doozy. Yeah, I was

LA: 4:14

just like, I mean, I You knew something was coming, but it's

Berly: 4:19

just because it was so weird. You and I were both watching, being like, uh oh, uh oh, what's gonna happen? And it was just like, splooge, where we were like, What? What? Like we did. We did not see it coming. We're like, we're laughing out of the shock, right? It shocked us. And

LA: 4:34

I guess the lesson here is, don't practice by yourself. Don't buy used point shoes, yeah, oh my God, but

Berly: 4:41

it's terrible. I loved it. I loved this opening sequence. I loved that it was a real ballerina, because she was over on her box and her arms and everything that was a real ballerina. And I loved the cutting back and forth with the janitor, yeah,

LA: 4:54

well, and when that was going on, I was just thinking, this is odd, why do we keep going back to the janitor? But it

Berly: 4:59

was beautiful. Full, right, right. Like, once you got the because at first it was, it like, kind of melded into it. It was like, as it started cutting back and forth, more quickly paced. That's whatever you got the Oh, like he's dancing with the mop. She's dancing. And then the music rising as he opened the doors. Yeah, it was, I loved it. I loved this opener. I

LA: 5:20

wrote, she danced her feet off. She did, but yeah, poor girl. Poor Irina died. So then we see Dean. He's on the phone with Frank, of course, asking about Dick, some more dick. Tell me about that dick. And I guess he found out that dick is planning an archeological dig somewhere. He doesn't have any activity on the coordinates that they have been keeping an eye on. So once again, he's got dick on dick. I was happy to see him, though, me too, yeah, not just a voice, yeah. Frank, not

Berly: 5:52

dick. We still haven't seen dick. We got to see pictures of Dick today, true. So we got some dick pics, but still nothing in the flesh.

LA: 5:59

So Sam joins Dean, and he's got a big old coffee and proceeds to tell Dean that he just is not sleeping because Damn, Lucifer won't shut his mouth and is just screaming at him, apparently, singing songs just annoying the shit out of Sam so that he can't sleep. So he's on a coffee coffee diet. Yeah. Dean

Berly: 6:22

was like, do the whole ham thing. And he was like, that don't work in this. Don't work in no more. Yeah. Sorry. I would have been like, don't you think I tried that? Right, right? I was like, at least they're communicating, though, true. He's not keeping Dean in the dark, like he's letting Dean know what's going on.

LA: 6:36

Sam happened upon this newspaper article about what happened with Irina, and he thought that that sounded maybe similar to something they could go and investigate at their alley. So they head to Portland. Forget where they were. They

Berly: 6:50

popped into the police station because remember that that cop that was helping the other cop was all like, sassy, like, did the thing and you like, laughed.

LA: 6:58

They just totally were like, Excuse me. You're gonna wait for our conversation to be over before we acknowledge you. And he was like, Who are you? Whatever they were asking to do the case. He was fast. And then, and then after they asked for whatever, hold on, good employee. So they're there at the front desk. But we also see that there's a little girl in the

Berly: 7:21

it was the her dad was work in the evidence room, right? Which I

LA: 7:24

was like, why is this girl in the evidence room? But yeah, her dad was there, and he had just bagged up the point shoes from Irena, and the little girl wanted them. Yeah, she did. She kept kind of reaching over, and her dad's like, No, you can't touch these things. They're for daddy's work. And she's like, Okay, well, then she has to go to the bathroom. When she walks into the bathroom, in the middle of the bathroom floor, just waiting for her, are the pointe shoes out of the bag just waiting for her.

Berly: 7:49

I totally thought, because they zoomed in on the bag as she was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I totally thought we were gonna see the bag, like, slide off the table, but she was gonna sneak them, yeah, you know, yeah. But we didn't. She didn't, she didn't take them, like, she walked into that bathroom empty handed, oh yeah, and they were just magically there. And she was excited, yeah, she was she so she starts to put

LA: 8:09

them on, and as she's about to do, like, the first tie over with the the ribbons, it shrinks down to her size, yeah, that was crazy. I was like, Oh, those were good special effects. While she's doing this, the guys are talking with her dad, and they're requesting to see the shoes. They want to see him. And he's, he notices they're gone, and he's like, That darn Tracy, she took him. She wants to be a dancer, blah, blah, blah. And so the boys freak out. They're like, where is she? Yeah, as soon as they burst through the bathroom door. She's, she's, I don't even know it's like,

Berly: 8:44

almost like a puppet, yeah? Like she gets pulled up to standing, and she didn't do it. You could tell from her facial expression. We could tell also from the way that she went to standing, that something lifted her up, but also her face was surprised, like, what the

LA: 8:57

Yeah? And of course, she starts dancing, not on her own. The guys are desperately trying to get these shoes off of her, and she kicks Dean in the face twice.

Berly: 9:08

She's gone. Sorry, breath in the face of you with a point shoe that would have hurt, that would have hurt. So

LA: 9:16

they eventually get them off of her, thank goodness. So she's she's fine. And the guys end up taking the shoes with them, and they put them in the trunk. Dean turns around randomly and sees that they're not in the trunk. They're just chilling in the back seat. Now they just appeared, and Dean is very freaked out by them. And I think didn't Sam say, don't they kind of look like your size? He did. He did. And at first,

Berly: 9:39

Dean was very excited about this case, because he was like, I've seen, I've seen black swan. Oh, yeah, twice. I liked that. 22122, action. Let's go. I'm ready to go interview some dancers. Yeah,

LA: 9:50

and then weren't the, I think, when they're walking in the station or somewhere, he's like, if there aren't any more ballerinas to interview, what's the point? Like,

Berly: 9:57

what are we doing? Yeah, he did. He did. Oh, speaking of walking at the station, when they were walking out, I think it was dean who, straight up, is like, Out with the old and we were like, Oh, he said it the episode. So after

LA: 10:10

they take off with the shoes, we see this realtor lady, and she's talking to this store owner, shop owner, Mr. Marshall, and she has her assistant, George with her. They're clearly trying to buy his little shop, whatever it is, and he's not having it. He denies her. She's clearly not happy about it, and she's real mean to George. She means Poor George is just the black sheep of this episode. That's that was just like randomly happened at the beginning of the episode. And I was like, Okay, well, I kept waiting to see them again, because it took a little bit for them to come back into play, yeah? Because it was like a story within a story almost, yeah.

Berly: 10:48

They just like, would, every once in a while, be there? And it was like, Who the fuck are these too? Because

LA: 10:52

it's like, I'm focused on these items that are obviously, like cursed items. I wasn't thinking we're gonna have another Levi lotline over here. Yeah? Anywho the guys go to the shop where all the point shoes were sold. The shop owner is Scott Freeman, and he says that they ask where he got the shoes. And he says it was just back there in my mom's box. And while Sam's talking to him, and I the way he was talking before Scott, I'm like, he didn't know, right? He didn't know what he

Berly: 11:26

was selling them. He's like, my mom, but she was into some weird shit, man. And then Sam was like, show me the box. Yeah, let me see your mom's box. What's in the box? Could Sam get a good look at your box? La,

LA: 11:41

while Sam is scolding Scott for something you didn't know about, Dean is suddenly just very mesmerized by these pointe shoes again. And he's just looking at him like, Oh, hey. Sam's like, snatch. He's like, What are you doing? Snatches him from him. And he's just like, oh, or what did they what was their little interaction that you liked?

Berly: 12:03

Oh, he took the shoes and put them in one of those boxes that his dad all had in the storage shed, that's like, the protective box or whatever, so that whenever it's in there, the curse isn't going to affect anybody, right? Yeah. So he slammed the lid and looked at Dean, and was like, are we doing better now? Are we done? Baryshnikov, yeah. And then dean said, I'm potty done. Little ballet humor thrown in there. I

Unknown: 12:28

mean, I'm impressed Dean. I loved it. It was very cute. So

LA: 12:34

they go in the back, and Dean brings out even more empty boxes. He's just holding

Berly: 12:37

them like the boxes were cool. The boxes were very cool. And I thought it was so funny. Because, to your point, Scott still has no fucking clue what's going on, bless his heart. But at the same time, whenever you see the safe open and you see the inside of the safe at all the drawings and stuff that are on it, it's like, didn't dawn on you, maybe Scott that you shouldn't be touching that stuff. I mean, I kind of get where Sam and Dean were coming from here, but that didn't look a little ominous to

LA: 13:05

you. I just want to get out. Well, he did. He's like, I just he thought his mom was into hokey so, you know. And

Berly: 13:11

then the other thing I loved is that because those sigils and the boxes and all of that kind of stuff, we kind of were like, okay, so it sounds like Scott's mom was a hunter. She was able to raise her kid, and he has made it to adulthood and never knew anything about this life. And it's a shame that she made it all this way too, and how she ended up getting taken out. Yeah, that sucks. But look, there's a hunter who made it Dean, right? And you never got to meet her. That sucks,

Unknown: 13:35

I know. But

Berly: 13:37

yeah, they came Dean came walking out with, like, multiple empty boxes when they were like, god damn more where we need exactly what you've sold, who you sold them to, and where they live. Yes,

LA: 13:49

after that, we see this woman in her kitchen, and she is just chopping, chopping, chop, chopping up some veggies, a cucumber, and then she goes to pick up a pepper, and she's got a tea kettle going in the back, warming up when it starts to whistle. It's a very pretty ornate antique tea kettle. And she just turns, and you can tell something's not right, right? And she just walks straight over to the tea kettle, puts her hand on the handle, and it's like, didn't the subtitle say skin, flesh sizzling. She picks it up and then proceeds to pour it into her mouth, piping hot, right off the stove. Yeah, boiling. And it

Berly: 14:30

fucks her up. Yeah, it fucked her up real bad. I liked how this scene was shots, because we knew there's cursed objects out, but we didn't hear them list off what they were, right? They just cut to this scene, and so they're like, showing, like, a meat grinder, and then they're showing the knives, and they're showing scissors, like they were showing us all these different things. So we're like, Oh, what is it? Which one is it? There's all these violent tools that they're showing us. I forgot about that. Yeah. And then it turned out to be the tea kettle. I thought that was cool. Yeah. I liked that, yeah? Because

Unknown: 15:01

as soon as they start showing them all, you're like, oh, god, oh god.

Berly: 15:05

What violent death are we about to see? Now it was, and it ended up still being very violent. Yeah, the special effects were done really well. I didn't watch it the red, oh, like, it showed her chin, like, getting red, and then it showed her neck getting red. And then you could see that, like the esophagus area was starting to burn away. Like it was, it was pretty good. It was pretty good, yeah, I just, I turned away, I don't know, yeah, she burned the shit. I mean, she burned herself so badly she died. So, right,

LA: 15:33

yeah, well, yeah, like her esophagus, yeah, melted away. Yikes. So poor, poor lady is gone. The boys come, they'd find her body right in front of the tea kettle. They use little like kitchen yellow gloves, rubber gloves, yeah, to pick it up. Dean's holding it out, like, it's like when something stinks and you're holding it,

Berly: 15:56

you know? Well, he doesn't, he doesn't want to get affected by a Christian object. Again. I know I thought it

LA: 16:01

was funny. So they decide these things are happening fast. So they're like, maybe we should split up for the last of the items that were sold. And we find out that one is, oh, a gramophone, and one is a old school porno, right? Magazine,

Berly: 16:16

yeah, you're always spotted that old, uh, Playboy with Steve Martin on the cover. Oh yeah, it was only 20 bucks. I should have fucking bought that. That's funny. I'm kicking myself for that one.

LA: 16:27

Sam goes for the gramophone. Dean goes for the porno at this woman's home, she's got the gramophone, which I know her kid was an impress, but I liked it. I

Berly: 16:36

mean, I thought it was cool, but I just thought it was so funny that the kids sitting there playing with the iPad. And she's she was real excited about this gramophone, and so she's standing in front of it, and she starts to play it. She like, looks over her shoulder, like, huh,

Unknown: 16:49

yeah, buddy. Are you getting

Berly: 16:51

this? Is this cool? The kid could not give a shit, nope. And the mom was just like, oh, I kind of felt for her.

LA: 16:58

I know she's like, All right, well, I'm gonna go put laundry away. So she stalks upstairs with laundry, and all of a sudden, the kid starts, well, you you hear it, and it's these little whispers coming from the gramophone. Secret for you, Timmy, and we don't hear the secret, but Timmy puts his ear up to the gramophone, and it tells him to do something is

Berly: 17:21

the same thing with the teapot lady. Like, his face just changes. His eyes got a little bigger, and like you could tell, like, something switched. I wonder if that was directed, or if that kid did that on their own. It was probably directed. I don't know. He was pretty young, but

LA: 17:35

he did good. Yeah, well, we see Timmy goes out of the room. Mom comes down from the stairs and she plops herself on the couch, and I think she's reading a magazine, and Timmy is in the kitchen, and just proceeds to get the biggest kitchen knife in the lot. It's like, as big as his forearm, yeah. And so he's coming up behind her, and he is literally, like, raising it to go slam it into her. I mean, it's good thing I don't lock the front door, because Sam comes busting in just in time and grabs the kid's arm. This poor woman probably just saw like her son with a knife. And then the stranger comes in and saves her. He's like, where's the gramophone? But and then she just points to it, and then her her and Timmy go out of the room. I'm like, you're just gonna leave this stranger here, like, I don't know, it

Berly: 18:23

was funny that whatever it was kind of cutting back and forth between the scene going on with Timmy and his mom and Sam just kind of wandering around looking for the house. He wasn't like, running or rushing when he was outside looking for the house, right? Or, I didn't get that feeling, that vibe. He didn't look like he was in a hurry. Yeah, and yet, then he gets to the house, he's in such a hurry that he doesn't even ring the doorbell first. He just throws over. Maybe saw

LA: 18:47

it in the window. Oh, coming by, because I think there was a window behind the other couch that

Berly: 18:52

Timmy was on. Yeah, maybe he heard that the gramophone was playing already. Oh, yeah, that's true. Whenever he got up to the door, yeah, you're right. I'm being too hard on our Samuel? No, Samuel can be hard on

LA: 19:06

Well, Sammy saved the day, yeah. And he takes off. He gets his rubber gloves out and takes that gramophone as he's leaving, he calls, wait, oh, oh, I also like when he told off Timmy. Timmy, what did Timmy say to him? Hey, that's mine. Oh, the Graham, yeah. Like, now would be a time for a little gratitude. He's like, but I'm too tired. He's so tired, bless his heart. And Jimmy just looks at him like, Well, damn, that walks out. That's

Berly: 19:34

what his mom takes him. And it's like, let's go. Let's leave the stranger alone in our living room. Okay, mom,

LA: 19:41

so yeah, he's leaving. When he's leaving, he calls Dean, or dean called him, and Dean confirms that he did, in fact, find the porno, and apparently it was just in time, right? And Sam asked what was going on, and Dean tells him, you know, you don't want to know. So we can imagine what was going on.

Berly: 19:55

I came up with quite a few scenarios. So what was possibly happening?

LA: 20:00

Okay, so then we are back at Scott's shop, and he's telling Dean how he feels really bad his mom died about a week ago, and that all these years she's had this shop, he kept pushing her to sell it all this time, and then out of nowhere, she finally decides to sell. The next day, she dies in a car crash, and it is the same realtor that we saw in the beginning. When Dean walks out, he sees that there are sold signs with her face plastered on it for pickle, beatleby, beckleby, bickleby, Realty, something like that. Yeah, fucking every window, yeah, the whole main street, yeah. They're buying it up. And we find out that the realtor's name is Joyce and her and her little George. Joyce and George, yeah, she's back in her office with Mr. Marshall again, and he's just sitting there in her office.

Berly: 20:45

The cigar. Cigar goes, I mean, rude.

LA: 20:50

He seems like, at first, he seems like he might give in. And she gives him the offer, the pages to look at right before that, she's like, you know, let us where. This is a generous offer. Take it. You go travel, live the rest of your life. He suddenly looks at the papers after she hands them to him, and he says, what you just said? I mean, the store is my life, so why would I sell? And she's not happy, no, she's like, Okay, fine. I hope you enjoy the rest of your life. What Little's left? As she's shaking his hand, I thought she was crushing

Berly: 21:22

it at first. I did too. I think he was just trying to pull his hand away and couldn't.

LA: 21:26

And lo and behold, Joyce turns into Mr. Marshall love Hyatts, finally, yep,

Berly: 21:33

scene in the leviathans, I don't think since nacho cheese. Yeah, other than the occasional Dick sighting, I need more dick. He loves him.

LA: 21:44

Oh, okay, so after she turns into Mr. Marshall, she very quickly snaps the real Mr. Marshall's neck, killing him. Yeah,

Berly: 21:52

and then her plan to cover the body, like telling George, go put his body in the bed, take his little cigar with you. We'll make sure it's lit well before you leave, like, burn down the house, yeah? Just, like, no problem. Like, he should be more careful with his cigars. You know, you should quit smoking blah, blah, blah. I was like, that's not gonna hide a broken neck. Joyce, right?

LA: 22:10

Like, don't put him in the bed, put him somewhere where he might look at the stairs. Yeah, come on, not so smart, after all. Joyce, then we see Sam, and he's driving angry. He turns on some music, and he's just really concentrating.

Berly: 22:24

Okay, so here's my question about that, though, he said he was across town. Okay, so this is why he's driving. He's got to drive a long distance back to go meet Dean. He changed. Why? Where did he go to change, and why did he feel the need to change his clothes? Because he was in a suit whenever he got the gramophone,

LA: 22:41

right? Well, maybe he went back to the motel, I don't know. He just want to be comfy for his angry drive. I would Yeah, he was like, this angry drive calls for flannel and a jacket. Get this suit and tie off of me and get me some rock music that I can't identify. I don't know what that was. It was helping him. I guess we'll go with it. Yeah, Dean calls him to tell him what he's discovered about the realtor buying up all these places. And then the shop owners are randomly dying pretty soon after, something weird is going on. And so he tells Sam all this, and he's like, you know, come meet me. And then he gets off the phone, Dean calls Frank again, and he tells him to look into this geo thrive, Inc, company who owns the the Bickle B realtor, Realty and so frank, he's like, let me just type it in, and I'll tell you, Give me. Give me a minute. But then we flash back to Sam, and he's falling asleep driving because he's so tired at one point there's an 18 wheeler coming head on, and he's like, about to hit it head on. And thankfully, wakes up and swerves out of the way. Very dangerous. Should not be driving, no. And then we see George the assistant, and he's at a coffee stand, Poor George. I mean, the guy hands him the coffee, and he's like, Oh, this. There's a extra pump in there for free. You know, no charge. I mean, this lady is crazy about her coffee. She already reprimanded him earlier in the episode.

Berly: 24:09

She's apparently eaten for assistance before George, because they could not keep her happy. Yeah. So he's, he's like, nervous,

LA: 24:16

and so he stands there. He's like, no, no, my boss only wants to. He asks him to make it again. And the guy's like, there's a line behind you. Man, like, No, I'm not gonna make another one. And they go back and forth. And then finally, George is just like, Well, okay, fuck me. I'll take it and get she'll rail my ass again, whatever. As he's walking off, he hears, He didn't even see him. He heard Sam right behind him at the coffee stand getting another coffee, because he's on his coffee diet,

Berly: 24:46

getting a triple red eye. Yeah, the guy was like, your funeral buddy or something like that. He's still a lot of time in the bathroom. Oh, my God. Can you imagine, oh, if not, puking, right? Having that much. Chest palpitations. Oh my goodness.

LA: 25:02

George is gleeful that he has discovered that the Winchesters are in town.

Berly: 25:08

I don't blame you George, right. Oh my

LA: 25:11

he's when he's on the well. So we're back to Frank and Dean. And Frank has discovered that this geo Thrive Inc is a part of Dick's conglomerate that he's building. It's like a subsidiary, a blah, blah, blah, whatever he said it was, I don't know. So dick is everywhere that Dick, yeah, he's just popping up everywhere and erecting new businesses everywhere you look, right? George calls Joyce to let her know what he's discovered, and he's very excited. And she's asking why he's so excited, and he says, to

Berly: 25:47

eat him. I'm gonna eat Sam. Yeah.

LA: 25:50

She's like, No, no, you're not gonna eat Sam. I'm gonna eat

Berly: 25:54

Sam. There's an order to things. Yeah, she tells him. And when he gets back

LA: 25:57

to the office and he starts to say it again, she's like, Who puts her fingers out to like, stop him. Nope. Don't say anything. Stop, stop. So Sam and Dean meet up at this little restaurant Cafe, and Dean is worried about Sam and his lack of sleep. You could tell it's starting to weigh on Sam. Yeah, big time. As they're sitting there, Scott from the store, the original store, calls Sam and is in a panic. He says he looked in one of his mom's mirrors, and now he's wanting to scratch his face off. You know, please come help me so the guys get up head that way. But as we see we pan back to Scott and Cameron, kind of panels over. And who's there? Joyce and George.

Berly: 26:41

You called it as soon as he called and was saying that you went, it's dropped Yeah. It's dropped Yeah.

LA: 26:46

Or Scott, the time up or No, at first, she stuffs her. She barely stuffs her. He's

Berly: 26:52

not tied up or anything either. He's just standing there with his arms by his side, and she like, takes her scarf off and walks up, and you're right, she like, barely stuck it in there. She just sticks

LA: 27:01

a little piece in and then it's all still hanging out of his mouth. Yeah, a lot of good that did. She's

Berly: 27:06

like, you your script is done. You don't have any more dialog. And like, oh yeah. Barely sticks it in there. He's just sitting there looking at her, like, What the fuck? And I'm like, I can't blame you, Scott, why are you just standing there with your hands by your side, why aren't you spitting out said weird scarf that just got shoved in your mouth? And then in the very next scene, the scarf is not there anymore. They're putting duct tape over his mouth. Instead, I was like, what was the point of that? Yeah, this Joyce woman, she is just dramatic for no reason. Catch that man's house on fire, put that woman in a car crash, eat my scarf. Yeah. Oh,

LA: 27:45

and then she's telling George that he's gonna we don't, you know, want to cause any alarm, because we're gonna kill you, Scott. And nobody has to know, because George, you just shift into being, Scott, you know, for the next 30 years, there's no idea. Yeah, that's

Berly: 28:01

your new job. And I'm like, so does George not have any family? Does nobody know of George? Is no one going to care that George is suddenly gone. What's going on here? Joyce doesn't care. Joyce does not give a shit.

LA: 28:15

Sam and Dean show up and find poor Scott tied up. And then these two, these two knuckleheads. So a fight ensues, right? And then, out of nowhere, George is telling Sam what to do to help him. Yeah, which is confusing. What was that bucket? It was

Berly: 28:39

the borax. Remember the episode with Jody Mills, where she dripped on nacho cheese and nacho cheese? Was like, Ah, right. It was that. He was like, hey, you know that stuff you like throwing at us? There's a bucket of it right there. And I'm like, Who put that together? Then, did you put that together? Somehow, George and put it conveniently there? Scott was probably cleaning the floors. Ah, okay, that makes sense. But yeah. He was like, Yeah, dip my head in it. Put my head in there. Put my head in there, quick before she sees

LA: 29:05

Yeah. And then when he comes out, and he's all gory, then he tells Sam, get the sword. Go there. Go over there, get the sword. So Sam does what he tells him, goes and gets it. And just as she's like, about to pounce on Dean, he it's like a, it almost looks like a samurai sword. It was pretty bad, yeah, and he just sliced her head right off. It was good. She did not see it coming. She thought she was really something she did, but I'm not too bummed. She's gone.

Berly: 29:33

Same, same, like, you call him these two knuckleheads. That's exactly how I feel about it. Yeah. It's like, it was almost cartoon villain, like, right? Their characters, well, I end up liking George, okay, kind of because he wants to. He wants to know what she tastes like,

LA: 29:53

yeah. Well, and then to your point, this cut. This is, like, comical, how it ends here, because so the boys tell Scott. He needs to get out of town that leviathans aren't fond of leaving loose ends, like go as far as you can where you don't speak the language and stay there. Scott's like, all right, I'm out. Tell me twice. Thanks, guys. And then George, George starts telling the boys that he's just very happy that Joyce is dead, and that he has been wanting to know what she tasted like, yeah.

Berly: 30:23

Normally that would be a compliment. You know, to know that some man's been wondering that, but like, not in this context, No, damn George. In

LA: 30:34

fact, Sam puts the sword up to George's neck, threatening him because he's like, Why did you help us? Yeah, and that's when he proceeds say, you know, he wanted her dad wants to know what she tastes like. And he's like, Easy buddy, and kind of pushes the sword away from his neck. And then he's like, as he's talking to Sam, he kind of just like, like you do, like, with a cake icing, yeah, swipes a piece some of her blood and licks it.

Berly: 31:00

He's like, No, where's that head? I want to eat it. Yum, yum, yum, yum. All right, guys,

Unknown: 31:04

our deals here. Give me that

Berly: 31:07

again. That would normally be a great thing for somebody. Give me some head. Give it to me

LA: 31:13

when he said in the pants, or to the boys, and they both just sit there staring at him. I'm like, Are they thinking what I'm thinking? Do and so they ask George, what the hell dicks up to? And he tells them that this area, this thing that they're doing, the town, is going to be turned into this massive Research Center. The guys are like, what? Research for what? And George tells them for disease that they are gonna cure cancer here, that's what's going down. And he says, we're only here to help. Yeah? Which, no, what?

Unknown: 31:49

Yeah.

LA: 31:50

So that was weird, really weird. And, but, I mean, they take him at his word, and they leave him, I guess. So they're

Berly: 31:58

about or did they decapitate do? Did they just leave him? Do we know because they don't show him get killed, right? That's I'm assuming. All we see is them loading up that safe, right, right? And we know her head is in the safe. So it's like, we don't necessarily know that George's head isn't in there, too. Oh, true, but they don't show that. So, I mean, maybe they did let him

Unknown: 32:20

go, I think so, but I don't know. Well, maybe we'll find out. Maybe we won't, maybe we'll

Berly: 32:25

have another George George

LA: 32:26

episode, yeah, yeah, but yeah. So they have hitched up a trailer to this truck that they have that they're rolling around, and now they're gonna head to Frank's to drop the safe off to him, with all the stuff in it, all the cursed objects and the cool boxes and the chick's head, yeah, and Dean really want he's like, You buddy, Sam, you're gonna be sleeping the whole way to Frank's you need it. Of course. Sam's like, Oh, I could, if I could. I would if I could, you know, but he just can't. So we see him rolling up them, rolling up to Frank's trailer, knocking on the door. Frank's not answering, so they say, you know, don't shoot. We're coming in, and the place is trashed, yeah, just wrecked. All his computer screens have been busted. It shits everywhere, and then blood, yeah,

Berly: 33:15

all over the wall like that. Yeah, I don't like that. He better be okay. So, yeah,

LA: 33:20

it ends with that. And I'm hoping he's okay. I have a feeling they're probably going to use him to get to the boys, so he's hopefully not dead, and I hope he doesn't die, right?

Berly: 33:30

So, I mean, I'm sure they're gonna kill him, but I don't, I don't feel like they're gonna kill him off screen. I mean, I'm sure they're gonna kill him. I love him, and so, you know what? I mean, this was the A Team y'all written by Robert singer and Jenny Klein and directed by John F shellwater gore. I mean, the goriest thing, I think, was the ballerina at the beginning, yeah, oh yeah.

Unknown: 33:55

I mean, that was something, it was something that was something, even a overhead shot of her body, like, oh,

Berly: 34:01

man, like it looked like it did look like bloody stumps, like she had, like, pounded her feet until they did not exist anymore. So, yeah, I think that was the goriest. I mean, the it was pretty, pretty gory, the boiling Tea, tea pot lady,

LA: 34:16

yeah, oh, in George's face after he was dipped in the Bora, yeah,

Berly: 34:19

yeah, George's base, I kind of was expecting, though, like we, we know what's gonna happen, we'll buy things. I mean, they did do pretty well, but there was a lot of steam and stuff. You couldn't see it as well as when the woman was pouring that, like, you could see pretty well what was going on there. So some good, some good Gore in this did you adore anything about this episode? I think I liked George. I loved this episode. I thought this episode was fine. It was it was like just the right amount of camp. I enjoyed this one. We finally got Frank. Yeah. The only thing that would have made it better is if we got more than just dick pics, true. Give me some dick. He loves a muffin. We need that Dick back. We need that dick. I just was thinking I was expecting. To see more of him once he was introduced. Yeah, if he's supposed to be the big bad of the season, I just would have liked a little more. That's all I'm saying. I mean, I guess we're, we still got time. Yeah, we still got time. We're only in Episode 16, yeah, so we're probably gonna see some more of him, yeah. What did you adore? Just the whole thing. Oh, yeah. The camp is what I said. I thought, I thought the camp was really cute. I enjoyed the humor of it. I thought it was a really cute episode. I enjoyed it well. For lore, we are talking about cursed objects. I've got an article called haunted history, 19 real and allegedly cursed objects by Angela pock on Halloween costumes.com the article says the world is full of strange and unusual things. Sometimes there is simply no explanation to be found. Sorry, whether or not you consider yourself a superstitious person, several objects around the world seem to be tied to more than their share of bad luck. If you love haunted history, be prepared. We love all things Halloween and macabre. So let's look at several of the world's most notorious haunted items. Number one, I don't think anyone will be surprised by this one. We've got the Annabelle doll. Whether you were introduced to Annabelle through the conjuring movies, or, you know about real life Ed and Lorraine Warren, the Annabelle doll is one of the most famous haunted items in the world. Unlike the movie doll, Annabelle is an allegedly haunted, Raggedy Ann doll. Ed and Lorraine Warren obtained the doll in 1971 after a student nurse and her roommate contacted the Warrens about annabelle's malicious behavior, the Warrens decided the doll was demonically possessed and locked it in a glass case. There are warning signs on the outside to deter anyone from opening it. Don't let Scott near that case.

Unknown: 37:00

He's like, get rid of all this old shit.

Berly: 37:04

We've got another doll at number two. I've not heard of this one before. Robert the Doll. He resides at the East Martello Museum in Key West Florida. Robert Eugene Otto's grandfather bought it during a trip to Germany in 1904 Robert kept the doll until he died in 1974 and it stayed in the home with his wife until she also died two years later. The doll was donated to the east Martella Museum in 1994 where it became a popular attraction. It is rumored that the doll makes giggling sounds, no moves about and can change its facial expressions. Museum visitors who disrespect the doll report experiencing misfortune. People have been known to write apology letters to Robert the Doll, hoping to end their curse. You don't like that one.

LA: 37:59

I don't like dolls giggling, or small children in the dark.

Berly: 38:05

Do you remember when we went and saw that movie devil, and there was that part where it goes completely black, they're in the elevator, and all the lights go out, and it got really dark in the movie theater we were in, and when it came back on, there was that kid standing in front of us, and we both screwed.

LA: 38:20

I do not remember that, but I probably blocked it out, because that's terrifying. Here

Berly: 38:24

it is. It was some kid who had been sitting down on the other end with their parents. And we had noticed the kid, because we were like, who would bring their because it was a young kid, yeah. And we were like, who would bring their kid to see something like this in the theater? Freak us out. And so, yeah, but they the kid had stayed over. I mean, they were not near us. They were far down on the same row as us, but far away from us. And, yeah, the lights went dark when it came up. That kid was standing, like, luckily not close enough for me to kick it, but it was close. It was right there. And we both screamed, and it's like, turned around away, and I'm just like, Get out of here, kid, kids can be really creepy. Yeah, all right, so number three on the cursed object slips, we got the Hope Diamond. This has a long history, from when it was first purchased in 1666, as the tavinier blue. Is that what I'm saying that, right? I think so, to when it was sold to King Louis the ninth, 15/15, I don't know bad with Roman King Louis XIV and recut and sold under the hope name. In 1839 the diamond went through several more hands before being donated to the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. In 1958 the diamond has a reputation for bringing misfortune to its owners, although these claims have yet to be proven. However, such publicity only helped to inflate the diamonds value. News about the diamond's curse has been tracked back as far as 1888 to a newspaper. Article from New Zealand. However, the hope diamonds curse appears to have gone dormant after being obtained by the Smithsonian. I didn't know the Hope Diamond was cursed. Well, according to that description, I don't know that it is right.

Unknown: 40:14

It's on the list. But

Berly: 40:17

next we've got the Terracotta Army at number five. Do you know of this one? I've seen it. Well, I saw it in a movie. Well, this says sites where bodies are buried are notorious as magnets for hauntings. Allegedly, the location of the Terracotta Army is one such place. Approximately 6000 to 8000 life side statues reside in the Terracotta Army, where it has also been said that artisans were buried with their work. While the claim cannot be proven, it is speculated that those who worked on the army and surrounding tomb were not allowed to leave, so that no one would know its location. The chamber was only officially discovered in 1974 so they did a great job, considering construction began in 246 BCE, yeah. Unfortunately, the seven farmers who first found the location fell on hard times, only fueling tales of the curse of the terra cotta army. Three of the seven men died untimely deaths, while the other four men received nothing for the discovery. Instead, their land was bought from them and their village to make way for gift shops and tourists. All right, I'm skipping to number eight, Bella Lugosi mirror. Bella Lugosi reigns supreme as one of the world's most famous horror movie actors. However, did you know he had some personal interest in the occult? He was known to practice a form of clairvoyance that involved staring intensely at inanimate objects to receive messages from spirits. One of the objects of these clairvoyance exercises was a mirror that Bella Lugosi kept in his Hollywood Hills home. Bella's mirror was purchased by Frank saletree, who was killed in his home. Bella Lugosi mirror is now housed in a museum of haunted items in Las Vegas, donated after the niece of Frank saletree inherited the mirror. The niece claimed that paranormal activity increased in her home after obtaining the mirror, feeling bites on her neck and seeing dark silhouettes reflected in it. All right, now I'm skipping to number 13. We've got Busby's chair. A category of Cursed objects has been vaulted into infamy because of their connections to murderers and criminals. One such item is Busby's Stoop chair, which belonged to Thomas Busby. Busby and his father in law were coin counterfeiters, and an argument about business ended in the death of Daniel ate at the hands of Thomas Busby in 1702 supposedly prior to his arrest and execution, Busby placed a curse upon his chair. The chair has since gained a reputation for causing death or great misfortune to anyone who dares to take a seat. Busby Stoop chair can now be visited at the Thirsk Museum, which hangs from the wall to prevent anyone from sitting on it. So there were, like, I said, there were 19 items on this list, but we're not going to read all of them, but the link is in the show notes if you're interested in reading more about these haunted or cursed objects. Quote,

LA: 43:33

close it out, talking about old pornos. Dean says, you know, I wonder how old porn kills you. And

Berly: 43:41

Sam said, I'm pretty sure you don't want to know.

Unknown: 43:45

Cheers.

Berly: 43:47

Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.

LA: 43:51

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Berly: 43:57

This was fun, jerk. It

Unknown: 43:59

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