Bonus: Interview with Creation Entertainment team member, Lindsay Bess

Over drinks, Berly and LA chat with Creation Entertainment team member Lindsay Bess. DwN listeners and convention newcomers submitted questions (and we got answers) about Creation's Supernatural-centric conventions titled "The Road So Far… The Road Ahead." Now, let's get tipsy!  CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞

Summary: The speakers shared their experiences and insights on navigating supernatural conventions. Lindsay provided a comprehensive overview, while Austin shared his perspective as a new fan. Berly and LA offered practical advice on what to bring and how to make the most of the convention experience. They emphasized the importance of kindness, flexibility, and awareness of the convention schedule, as well as building connections with fellow fans and staff. Berly and Speaker 2 also discussed the process of registering for a convention, including the use of QR codes and wristbands, and provided tips on how to handle conflicts between photo ops and autographs. Overall, the speakers emphasized the importance of preparation and timing, and provided valuable insights on how to navigate conventions with respect and consideration for actors, handlers, and other attendees.

Thank you to Lindsay for this discussion.  Check out The Road So Far and other Creation Entertainment events at www.creationent.com.

Transcript

Berly: 1:11

Ella, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode,

LA: 1:20

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 1:26

I'm Burleigh, and I'm a new fan of the series. I'm

LA: 1:30

LA, and I'm here. Long for the ride. Now let's get tipsy. Hello LA, hello Burly.

Berly: 1:38

We have Austin this week, another supernatural convention. Who would have known?

LA: 1:45

Can't believe it. I

Berly: 1:47

can't believe it's here. Oh my gosh, it's been almost a year. Oh, wait no, it's been over a year since our first one. Do you remember our first one here in Dallas? Oh, yeah, it was a culture, culture, shell shock. It was that first one. But by our second one, I felt like we were already pros, yeah, but I I do look back on the first one, and I remember us not knowing where to go, not knowing what to do and feeling very intimidated. So we've seen a lot of our listeners commenting on being too nervous or too scared to go to a convention at all, but a whole lot of you have decided this year to jump in and do it, and a lot of you are going to Austin. We've seen a lot of questions, and so we thought it would be a good idea to just do a quick Q and A on conventions. We were fortunate enough to get Lindsay best from creation entertainment to come and talk with us a little bit. She's been working with creation for nearly a decade, has been in multiple roles, and is very knowledgeable on the convention experience, so we'll turn it over to Lindsay.

Lindsay: 3:01

So I've been with creation since about 2016 This was back, you know, when we were all volunteers and nobody was getting paid for anything. But back then I was doing, you know, very few. I was doing, you know, maybe one a year at the most, usually, like one every couple years, just when, you know, they were nearby, after covid restrictions kind of lifted, I was able to drive to a lot more of them, you know, due to a new location. So I really started picking up and actually, actually, it'll be a year ago next weekend that I started working with rich and started working as a handler.

Berly: 3:40

What else have you done other than the honor of handling rich?

Lindsay: 3:47

I've done a little bit of everything. The only thing I really ever haven't worked too much is the photo op area. They know, and I know myself well enough to know that my ADHD would not do well in the photo room. You know, my very first con, I worked registration. Then I kind of moved into a runner position, you know, because I'd go all over the city or wherever they needed to pick up food and coffees and things like that kind of. It was a part of that I spent a lot of time in the theater as, you know, just somebody kind of keeping an eye on things, you know, relieving people to take breaks, all that good stuff. Then I actually was a theater supervisor for a while as well, for a couple of years. Okay,

Berly: 4:27

so you were kidding. You've done just about everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We have some questions from listeners of denim wrapped nightmares. The first question that we got in a couple of iterations is about seating for the panels, and is it still fun if your general admission all the way in the back?

Lindsay: 4:48

Absolutely, these venues are small enough. I mean, they seat a good chunk of people, but they're not, you know, the 20,000 people stadiums where, you know you're a mile and a half away from the actor or the stage, even if you don't have a good seat, I would say it's definitely worth going. First and foremost, they do have cameras, so they've got somebody videoing the whole thing, so blown up screens, so you'll be able to get a good look, even if you don't necessarily have a seat where you can see super well. And then, you know, you've also got actors like Mark Shepherd and Ruth Connell who love getting out and about into the theater. So a lot of times they'll wander during their panels as well. So that's always a fun little surprise for the people in the back. I

Berly: 5:33

actually told people I was like, yeah, no, there's big screens. You'll still be able to see even if you technically have a good seat, you're still going to find yourself watching the screen on occasion,

LA: 5:43

like, I think I watched the screen more than the stage half the time. Yeah.

Berly: 5:47

Same, same. Okay. Question number two, how do you ask for certain poses during photo ops?

Lindsay: 5:55

The way photo ops work is you will have the loveliness, Shelly or Lauren, guiding people, kind of feeding people into the photo area. Whoever's there, you know, getting you up to the actor will be the person to tell i. Suggest, you know, either having a description, you know, I want to hug. I want to, you know, do a selfie like looks like they're taking a selfie, you know, if you can do that, or if it's something that maybe another fan has done that you thought was a really cool idea, or maybe a little harder to describe, a picture is always a good idea as well. They'll let you, you know, show your phone to them, and then they'll be able to translate to the actor, that to the actor. So

Berly: 6:34

have a reference, especially if you're nervous, I would say, if you're nervous and you're worried you're gonna get tongue tied, having a reference is a good

LA: 6:43

idea. Yeah,

Lindsay: 6:46

you know, yeah. Pictures, pictures worth 1000 words, as they say, right?

Berly: 6:51

Okay, so this question, I've seen a lot of Lindsay, and I think it's because creation, even though it's a convention, even if you've been to a convention, it's different. It's a unique experience. But I've seen a lot of questions floating around about, what exactly is registration? What happens? How early should I be lining up? So more information just about registration, in general registration,

Lindsay: 7:19

what will happen is you, they will have your admission ticket. You will they will scan it, the QR code that's attached to it. They'll scan it, and then everybody gets a wristband, regardless of, you know, what ticket level you have, you know, general admission, preferred seating, gold, you'll always get a wristband, and you'll have to show that to get entrance into the theater. Generally, you can wander around the vendors area without, you know, wristband, if you know, you just want to pop in and see what's going on for the day, but to actually get into the theater and watch the panels, you'll need that wristband. And then anybody with a weekend like gold, silver or copper pass, they'll also give you a lanyard as well. It'll have your seat number on it. They've actually started adding a place for you to put your name as well, so that you can, you know, introduce yourself to your fellow fans and seat mates, and, you know, be able to make a little bit more of a connection as far as timing goes. If you've got something that you want to do on a day and it's early, but you don't want to come in and register, maybe like the night before, or don't have a weekend pass, whatever it is, I would definitely give yourself about 30 minutes to get registered before your first activity of the day, whether it, you know, be a panel that you want to see or a photo op in the morning, you know, before the theater doors open, before anything starts, there will typically be a line, and that's where I would say maybe, maybe give yourself a little bit more time if you want to be there, like right from the very, very get go, but 30 minutes, you know, the rest of the time, most you know, after that initial rush, you can pretty much just walk up to the table most of the time and get registered, but definitely give yourself a little bit of time, because, you know, things run very tightly a lot of times. So give yourself that grace period. Is definitely a recommendation.

Berly: 9:08

I know you guys have recently changed the system you use online, but can people still buy add ons like photo ops, autographs, etc, at registration, yeah,

Lindsay: 9:18

typically, they'll have one side of the table checking people in, getting wristbands, things like that, and then they'll have the other side of the table will be a place for you to buy things that are not sold out. So the autographs, photos, concert tickets, anything like any of the events that maybe aren't sold out, they'll have those tickets for you at registration as well. Okay? And

Berly: 9:37

then I have one more add on regarding registration. If you have a Jensen, Jared or Misha add on, you have to go to a separate table to get that ticket scanned right, just

Lindsay: 9:50

for photo ops. So autographs, you can keep your PDF that's fine to take up to the table for autographs with the Jared Jensen Misha, but any photos you have with Jared Jensen or Misha? Yeah, you'll take it. There'll be a place called PDF exchange. You can just ask if you're not sure, if you don't see it or aren't sure where it is. You can just ask somebody wear PDF exchanges. They'll know what you're talking about, and they'll exchange your PDF. They'll scan it, they'll make sure it's valid, and then they'll give you a hard ticket. So Jared, Jensen, Misha photos will also be called from the theater as well, so you won't need to worry about going to the photo area for them, you'll just wait in the theater, wait in your seat, and then they'll call in groups of, usually 50. So your ticket will, that hard ticket that they give you will have a number, you know, 2758, 103, whatever it happens to be. They'll call in groups. So, you know, they'll call groups one through 50. They'll to call ticket numbers one through 51, through 101 through 150 until they get to the end, as opposed to, you know, having to crowd around, you know, in that hallway, but where the photo op area is, you can, you know, stay seated, continue watching the panel until they're they're ready for you.

Berly: 11:00

And I'll add on to that, if you're not in the last group, you don't have to jump up and go right away like they are going to turn you away Absolutely because LA and I did that. Our first convention, our group came up, and we got up, and we were pissed, because it was during Richard Rob's panel, and we really wanted to see it. And we figured out after the fact, oh, we could have watched that entire panel and then gone and gotten in line.

Lindsay: 11:22

Yeah, you can always delay, you know, just make sure, if it says all tickets are last call, that you are out of your seat and on the way they will do several iterations of final call before they take them out at the photo room.

Berly: 11:35

That's a good tip. All right, so the next question, what if you have photo ops or experiences that conflict on the schedule? So this is going

Lindsay: 11:45

to be dependent on the schedule for the weekend, and what's going on when? Which? I haven't seen that schedule yet, so I'm not sure of you know, an example, but the schedule and or the app will generally tell you what to do in case of a conflict. At the bottom, like a lot of times, next to things, it'll say, you know, okay, if you've got this person's photo op and this meet and greet, do this. Do this one first and then go. But if you don't know if you don't, either don't see your particular conflict listed, or you're just not 100% sure of how to handle it. Ask. We are happy to help. Anybody with a lanyard, anybody that's a team member is more than happy to give you advice. Or, you know, if it's one of those very, very rarely, there are true conflicts where you can't do both, and in that case, talk to a team member, they'll get you in contact with one of the staff who can figure something out. You may not be able to do both right then, but you might be able to, you know, we might be able to swap some things around so that you can take it so you can do everything that you paid for. Generally, photo ops are going to go faster than autographs, so you've got one like, that's pretty close to another. I'd recommend, you know, unless it's a very odd situation, doing your photo first example where you might not want to do it is, you know, Jared photo ops on Saturday are going to take a while. Rob Benedict's autograph line, generally, is in the afternoon, so he can rest before the concert on Saturday night. That line's gonna pretty go pretty quickly, relatively speaking. So in that case, I would say, yes, do your do your autograph first? But most of the time, autograph photos are gonna go quicker. Okay?

Berly: 13:22

And then for experiences, do you advise people getting there early? Or what about that?

Lindsay: 13:30

Yeah, probably I'd say, like, try and be about five minutes early. If you can earlier, if you really want, they typically have the rooms available. I will tell you, you know, as somebody who works as a handler and works with the actors, I don't start moving them until we have pretty much everybody there. So if you can be early, be early, because then everything will keep running and be on time. I

Berly: 13:52

never thought about that, yeah, because I really don't

Lindsay: 13:55

want you guys missing your time. But we also don't, you know if the actor is getting some food or, you know, resting for a minute. We don't want to pull them away before we're ready. Now,

Berly: 14:03

that makes sense. Why rush them off to the room? I felt you're all just going to be sitting there, yeah, exactly, waiting for more people. That makes total sense. So you said you said you haven't seen the schedule yet. When is the schedule typically made available? And then also, if you could talk about the app, because I know a lot of new attendees aren't going to have any clue about that. The

Lindsay: 14:21

schedule is typically released on Wednesday before the con, sometimes Thursday morning. You know, if something comes up and they need to move stuff around. You can do a couple of things. You can download the schedule off the creation website. There will be a button that says schedule under the Austin con. But I do recommend getting the app. It will be labeled as creation entertainment. It's a blue button. It with the creation logo on it, and that's going to be so if anything changes, you know, something gets pushed back, something, you know, heaven forbid, you know, something have to get, like, canceled or moved up, like, they will update that app, you know, within about five minutes of making that decision. So you will have the most accurate information. You know, every now and then somebody gets sick has to cancel last minute, and they don't have time to reprint all the schedules before then. So the app will give you that like anything that happens, good or bad, will be in the in the app, nice. I

Berly: 15:20

highly recommend the app. We didn't have the app for our first con, and they moved the room for Director chat with rich, and so we were late, and I was devastated. Yeah, we didn't miss a whole lot, but still, I was really upset about it. So this was a question from somebody who is driving into Austin, they aren't going to be staying at a hotel in the area. They're they're driving to and from so they were trying to plan out what time they need to leave to get there. But as you just said, the schedule isn't available yet. So a lot of people were asking, When do the conventions typically start, or what time should they plan on arriving? Most

Lindsay: 16:01

times Fridays and Saturdays will start a little bit earlier. They typically will start. Things will start going around 10 o'clock. Or so in the morning. Sundays are a little bit later. If you're a gold pass holder, you do have the Jared and Jensen panel in the morning. And then, for anybody who's not a gold pass holder, they will typically open the theater about 1130 or so, you know, they'll do like photos and autographs and stuff like that during that time, sometimes, but generally not. I know it's not super helpful, but I would say, you know, Friday and Saturday, if you want to be there for the whole day, plan on being there around 10. Sunday, you can probably plan it on, like 11 or 1130

Berly: 16:46

I think that's helpful.

Lindsay: 16:47

This is a new venue for us. We've never been to Austin before. So I can't give you really good specifics as far as that goes, but I would say, you know, there's that 30 minute window. I'd say, give yourself about 30 minutes grace period, just in case there's traffic. I know Austin has bad traffic.

Berly: 17:03

I 35

Lindsay: 17:06

Yep. Who knows? Like, what the like, how far away you're gonna have to park you know? How you know, is the parking lot going to be full? Are you going to have to find someplace else? You know, definitely that gives you a little bit of leeway if something goes wrong.

Berly: 17:17

But the goal is to be at the venue by 10 ish on Friday or Saturday, 1130 ish on Sunday.

Lindsay: 17:23

But you probably safe, you know, assuming that right now, until the schedule comes out, well, we'll

Berly: 17:28

know more very soon. That's for sure, at least for Austin, and you'll and you'll be grateful for that extra hour if you go to Saturday Night Special

Lindsay: 17:38

Absolutely. It runs late, it's fun, but it it will wear you out. Oh yeah,

Berly: 17:46

all right. Another very popular question I've seen all over the place. Are there concessions, or do I need to bring food and drink with me?

Lindsay: 17:54

So this is another one that, you know, we're this is a new venue, and a lot of times it will depend on the venue. What's available there. They take place in hotels. So at the bare minimum, there's typically, like a coffee bar and maybe like a snack shop from the hotel. You know, we're also in Austin, you know, there's got to be some stuff within walking distance. You're probably safe. You know, maybe pack some snacks in case you get hungry and don't want to leave. You can bring food and drink into the theater, as long as the drink is not alcoholic, no beers, no mixed drinks, nothing like that in the theater. But, you know, waters, coffees, anything like that, you're more than welcome to take drink on while you're you know, in the panel, same thing with food, you know, snack away. As long as you know you're not bothering your neighbor with it, you're good. I

Berly: 18:39

will say, LA and I, we've gone to two conventions, three conventions together, and then I've done one by myself. Three of them were in a hotel. One of them was at a convention center, and only the convention center had concessions. Yeah, we were on our on our own everywhere else, so definitely bring something to eat with you. Don't leave it up to chance,

Lindsay: 19:01

especially if you're like me, and get a hangry. Yes,

Berly: 19:04

I was about to say your blood sugar will thank you. Yep, yep, and

Lindsay: 19:08

so so will the people around you. So you know you're not, yeah.

Berly: 19:11

Speaking of the people around you, deodorant people, deodorant

Lindsay: 19:15

recipes, yes, shower, at least, you know, a couple of times during the weekend. Yes,

Berly: 19:19

you can get that hypo Floris Acid Spray that's supposed to kill Bo you know, just think, think of the people around you, especially in the summer.

Lindsay: 19:29

Yes, in Austin, where it's going to be 103 this weekend.

Berly: 19:34

I saw where you guys had Austin scheduled in August, and then Chicago in November. And I was like, did that? This

Lindsay: 19:42

great question everybody we've got a bunch of people from Texas on the team, on the staff side of things, and we all said it was a terrible idea, and yet here we are.

Berly: 19:55

Well, we'll make it work. We'll all have fun.

Lindsay: 19:58

We'll all melt together.

Berly: 20:01

Okay, so another question I've seen floating around, even from some people who say they're regulars, how do you get to ask a question during the panels for everybody

Lindsay: 20:10

that is not Jared, Jensen or Misha, there will be two team members, one on either side of the stage with a microphone. And for any of those panels, you are welcome. Just get up and go stand in line. If you have any questions, you can always, like I said, Ask a team member about, you know, where to go, where to line up at slight PSA, for that, obviously these actors are human beings as well, like, you know, we love and appreciate them for, you know, the work they've done. But think about what you're asking them, and you know, if it's something that would make you uncomfortable, or you know, somebody that you don't know very well, uncomfortable. So I really said this my plug for that one, but Jared, Jensen, Misha, is done by a lottery, so typically the basket is near or at registration. If you ask registration, they'll definitely be able to tell you where it's at. You don't have to write down the question. If you haven't thought of one yet, you just have to give them your name and your seat number. If your general admissions, you'll write general admission on the. On the lottery slip, and that's totally fine. Then at the beginning of those panels, they will put up on the big screens. It will go in order. So it'll say, you know, person one is Burley, person two is Lindsay, person three is LA and you will line up in that order. You will either need, if you have a seat number, you can show them your lanyard and say, Okay, I'm in CB 18, which is what this lottery thing says. Or, you know, if your general admissions, or don't, for whatever reason, have your lanyard on you, you will need to show an ID proving that you are who you are. And that's again, just to prevent, you know, anybody from taking your spot, taking something that you you've rightfully earned. The actor will typically pick a side to start questions from, and then it'll just bounce back and forth. And that's the same for you know, anybody's panel sometimes. Again, Mark Shepherd likes to go off script a lot, and he'll just wander around and ask people questions sometimes. And it's great. It's fun. Don't feel bad if he skips over you. Is it's just mark, that's what he likes to do.

Berly: 22:12

I think, don't, don't feel bad, is just good advice, like, make sure that you're managing your expectations and staying grounded. I've definitely seen a bunch of commentary from people's convention experiences where it probably would have been a blast if they had just been present, yes, and not trying to manufacture some sort of thing. Just be present and enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. And it's so much fun.

Lindsay: 22:36

You know, all of the people there are wonderful, lovely people, and they want to be there. All of these actors want to show up and be there and have a good time with you guys at the same time. You know, they're seeing you what, 2000 3000 people in a weekend, and there's only so much time and energy that they have, and then kind of same thing goes for the people working the convention, specifically the handlers. I'm going to talk about that just because, if we ever seem, you know, Curt or rude or snippy, it is nothing personal. It is. I am on a very tight deadline, and I have got to get this person here by this time, or it's going to throw off the whole it could potentially throw off the entire schedule for the day. And so if I, you know, you stop somebody in the hallway, and one of us comes up, she goes, No, no, no, sorry. This person has to go. It's not personal. Anything that you've done, nothing you've like, you know, they are not picking on you. It is just I am responsible for getting them someplace. And we all take our job seriously. We love it, but, you know, we do want to do a good job, and we hate throwing off people's schedules.

Berly: 23:45

And sometimes you guys, you know, I found this out in in Nashville, don't get to eat for like hours. I was like, bringing people granola bars. So I was like, What are y'all doing eat? So, yeah, treat.

Lindsay: 23:58

Every rule applies to us. We have many snacks. Snacks.

Berly: 24:03

Snacks are important. That's that's the key takeaway for everyone listening today, I

LA: 24:07

have a question about the lottery. Can you put more than one question? Or is it just like one question per

Lindsay: 24:13

person, one per box? So you could put one in for the Jared Jensen panel, and you could put one in for Misha, but you can only put in one per one per person for each box. Okay,

LA: 24:24

I was curious.

Lindsay: 24:27

See that getting crazy. Yeah. Same thing with karaoke. When they do the karaoke sign ups, you'll only be able to put in one slip with your name on it, and that's just, you know, to be able to give other people a chance, right?

Berly: 24:39

And I would say, prepare your questions in advance. I think at every convention we've gone to, somebody gets up there to the microphone and blanks and stalls. You'll put it, put it on your phone, absolutely, or something like that,

Lindsay: 24:54

absolutely. And typically, you know, unless things are kind of go a little wonky, the person with the microphone will also ask you what your question is as well. And, you know, one again, kind of vetting, you know, making sure that we're not going to make that actor uncomfortable. Or, you know, it's not, it's something they're not they don't want to talk about, but more more importantly, it'll kind of help jog that memory, maybe in your brain, a little bit of what you wanted to talk about. But yeah, I would also recommend, yes, people use notepads on their phone, you know, a text message to a friend, whatever, will help you kind of keep it in your mind, help

Berly: 25:28

with recall. Yes. So another question about questions, is it silly to attend a meet and greet but not ask a question

Lindsay: 25:37

if you're gonna have fun attending that meet and greet without a question, without asking a question? Yeah, no, absolutely you should go. If you're not gonna enjoy yourself, don't do it. But if you're gonna have fun in whatever capacity it is, you know, whether it be just sit there and listen and have a good time, or, you know, to participate in the discussion, I think you should absolutely do

Berly: 25:55

it. I agree with that. I've gone to meet and greets where I haven't asked a question. Now, if something's come up, I've seen something, watched a movie, seen the director thing, or whatever, I jot it down. I have, like, a little notes thing in my phone. But if I. Go into a meet and greet and I don't have a question prepared. Somebody else's question doesn't inspire a question in me. I have fun just sitting there learning it's still a good experience, even

Lindsay: 26:20

though, if you're not asking a question, you know, it's still a more, I would say, intimate experience. You know, there's fewer people. It's a smaller space. You're getting to build those relationships, not only with the actor, but with your fellow fans too. So I recommend it. If you want to do a meet and greet, do it. I

Berly: 26:39

don't think you've ever asked a question in a meet and greet. I

LA: 26:41

was gonna say, I was like, I certainly have never asked a question.

Berly: 26:47

I was surprised when you were asking about the panel, because I was trying to picture you going up there on a microphone and asking a question a panel. I was like, she was,

Lindsay: 26:57

I don't blame you,

Berly: 26:59

all right. So the last question we received from a listener is about autographs. They asked, What kind of things can they bring to get autographed? They specifically asked if an angel blade would be allowed at autographs.

Lindsay: 27:14

I have seen many Angel blades, and they have been all been autographed successfully. So pretty much anything that you can bring up to an autograph table, you can have signed, except

Berly: 27:24

your body. Yeah? Nobody. Nobody can't throw your body on the table and just be like signing. They will not do that, not allowed,

Lindsay: 27:33

despite people wanting and, you know, sometimes you know if it's again inappropriate, or if you're not sure you again, you can always ask, be like, you know, hey, is this something they can sign? But, you know, I've had people sign like the replicas of babies. I've seen Angel blades. I've seen the first blade. I've seen, you know, all sorts of weird, oddly shaped items be successfully signed. I would say, though, if you are having a bag signed, please don't have anything in the bag. That does, unfortunately happen sometimes where people will have like the smaller like canvas bags or cloth bags, and it does make it kind of difficult for the signature doesn't come out very clear in that

Berly: 28:13

case, right? That makes sense. Getting like a good surface for it is going to be weird.

Lindsay: 28:18

Yeah, exactly. Well,

Berly: 28:20

those were all the questions that we received from our listeners. But Lindsay, you've been doing this for damn near a decade. Yeah. So do you have any FAQs that popped up in your mind whenever we asked you to do this that you'd like to kind of address, because some people might not know what to ask until they go to a con. Oh,

Lindsay: 28:46

that's a that's a good question. No. I mean, I think that we were pretty I think everybody was pretty thorough. I think, you know, I think, you know, I kind of touched on the things that had popped in my mind, you know, about like us having a tight time frame to be on. I guess the best thing I can recommend is this group is called a family for a reason. We are all here. We all adore this show, you know, I mean handlers and everybody included, like we are here because we're passionate about this and we love doing it. So make friends, you know, make those connections. I mean, you know, we I wouldn't be standing here today if you know you and I hadn't connected in LA at the beginning of the year. Take that time and build, make those relationships, even if it's just, you know, a hey, how's it going kind of thing, you know, I can lead to some fun stuff down the road, and it can lead to a lot of really good friends.

LA: 29:42

She is lovely. She looks so sweet.

Berly: 29:45

I love her. I feel like I was annoying her at conventions for a while, because she always had the cutest fucking outfits on, and just, she's a ginger. And so I was automatically like, Okay, you wear cute, adorable, little outfits and you're a ginger. I want to be your friend. But so we've, I've talked to her a few times, and I've gotten to know her personality a little bit more now, and I love her. She's a doll.

LA: 30:07

Yeah, she, I mean, she just seems like one of the most likable people I've ever met, right?

Berly: 30:13

Super chill, super relaxed. And I just really want to drive home the point that she was making for everybody that you know. A lot of the people who are working these conventions are volunteers who do it because they love the convention experience and they want to help make that experience magical for other fans. So show them grace. By far. Most people that you're going to run into at the convention want you to have a good time. And like Lindsay said that they have a schedule they're trying to keep,

LA: 30:43

yeah, well, and then, like she was saying how it could throw the whole day off.

Berly: 30:46

I mean, that's pressure. That's stressful. So I can't imagine. I cannot imagine, be kind. Yes, be kind. Treat everyone with grace, people who work there, other attendees. And then the other thing I was going to throw out there is she is talking about how they're trying to stick to that schedule. Odds are they aren't going to, though, so yeah, with how big it's going. To be, oh my gosh. I mean, even at the smaller ones that you and I have gone to, it normally ends up running at least 30 minutes behind by Sunday, and it's just because, like she said, the tiniest of things can end up throwing everything off for the rest of the day. So be flexible. I know a lot of people like to have expectations and a schedule and stick to be flexible. Chances are it's going to end up running behind at some point. Yeah, we hope this was helpful. Yeah, I

LA: 31:39

hope so too. I did think

Berly: 31:40

it was funny when she was like, you know, no alcohol in the theater, I was like, Oh,

LA: 31:44

I know. I was like, wait a minute, we've already done that. We've

Berly: 31:50

already broken a rule and we didn't even know it. Oh, goodness, alright. Well, we'll see you guys there.

LA: 31:57

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Berly: 32:00

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LA: 32:03

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Berly: 32:10

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LA: 32:12

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