Over drinks, Berly and LA chat with actor, John Emmet Tracy, about his experience on the set of Supernatural during the filming of season 5, episode 19, "Hammer of the Gods". John will soon return to Montana to resume filming of "Yellowstone," where he portrays another villain. Read about his success as villainous characters at https://shorturl.at/cgpt4. Thank you to JET for this discussion. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
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Over drinks, Berly and LA chat with actor, John Emmet Tracy, about his experience on the set of Supernatural during the filming of season 5, episode 19, "Hammer of the Gods". John will soon return to Montana to resume filming of "Yellowstone," where he portrays another villain. Read about his success as villainous characters at https://shorturl.at/cgpt4. Thank you to JET for this discussion. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
Please rate and review Denim-Wrapped Nightmares wherever you get your podcasts! Articles and sources are available on the Tumblr blog. Find other social channels on our Linktree. Automated transcription via Otter.ai.
Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares tipsy exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series episode by episode.
LA:over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
Berly:I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series. I'm
LA:LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get tipsy.
Berly:Hello LA.
LA:Hey Burley.
Berly:We interviewed Austin basis from the season three episode ghost phasers, which was in your top three episodes from the first five seasons of supernatural so it was only fair that we interviewed someone from one of my top three favorite episodes from the first five seasons of supernatural and I feel like we got a good one for sure. If you remember listeners from our adore list we had a certain fastest fast can be demigod No, I guess he's a he's a real God. Full God full size God. Mercury on both of our adore lists. He was played by the fabulous the handsome the proudly creepy, John Emmitt Tracy. Not creepy in real life, but he's proud of how he can portray creepy.
LA:Did you say talented?
Berly:I assume so. Okay, hot beard. scruff talent. Talented. Pretty sure I said talented. Okay. And it was fun.
LA:Yeah. Oh my gosh, he was a joy, like so lovely. His energy. I feel like he was just so calm and chill.
Berly:After we ended our call la immediately was like, I had more questions. And I was like, Why didn't you ask them?
LA:Because they weren't really super natural related. But I mean, I I always have like anybody in the industry. I'm always gonna have like a ton of questions because I love it. But he was wonderful.
Berly:Well, before we get into it, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit more about Mr. John Emmet Tracy. I
LA:can do that. Mr. John animate Tracy is an American theater, film and television actor. He was born in Chicago and raised in both Chicago and Milwaukee. As a child he was drawn to acting by an early love of storytelling. He formed his first theatrical partnership at the age of seven with his sister, and the duo became famous throughout their basement for vaudevillian by billion billion cabaret shows. I love, love. What is the I know? I love it. That would be awesome. And he has since worked extensively in theater, film and television. He's best known for his current role as Ellis steel on Paramount network's critically acclaimed worldwide hit show Yellowstone, which is where when we were watching the episode, I was like, I know that face yeah. And then I was like, Yeah, yep. As soon as you said Yellowstone, I was like, yep. In addition to Ella Steele, he has performed lead recurring and supporting roles and many television shows including Batwoman Olympus Man in the High Castle and supernatural to name a few, and is widely recognized as Enzo Lambert and the two seasons of The CW series iZombie. In the realm of film, John has appeared in 50 shades freed. If I stay American Mary stage coach, the Texas Jack story, and Steven Spielberg's the B. F. G. He portrayed the duplicitous Edgar John Brandon, father of Mary Alice, Brandon, and the Mary Alice Brandon file, the winning film entry in the storytellers New Voices of Twilight Saga, John has appeared in over 100 pediatric productions and performed on stages throughout the world, including Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London, where he was selected as a company member of the globe's international actors fellowship and in Japan, where he toured as the title role in Shakespeare's Hamlet. He also portrayed Thomas Jefferson and both Assassin's Creed three and Assassin's Creed three the tyranny of King Washington, the third installment and DLC respectively, of the multiple award winning and critically acclaimed video game series. That's cool. John received his education and training at Rose Bruford college Kent, UK, where he earned a bachelor's degree in theater as well as the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts in London and the National Shakespeare Conservatory in New York. He holds dual American and Canadian citizenship and splits his time between Los Angeles and Vancouver which makes sense I mean, he went did all that training and all that education Justin acting like so when I asked him about moving on beyond that. I almost love that because sometimes it's like, it seems like so many actors want to like achieve like, be like a triple threat or whatever. But I love that he's just He loves his acting. That's what he wants to do. That's his passion. I love that.
Berly:Well, speaking of loving that, I loved our interview with John Animatrix. Me too.
LA:As I said, I wish I wish I had spoken up. Well, we could have been talking for two hours.
Berly:So without further ado, here is John Emmet Tracy. Joy.
JET:All right, well, thanks for having me here. I'm excited about this. Yeah.
Berly:Thank you for coming on. We actually just wrapped up the first five seasons of supernatural.
JET:Congratulations. Oh,
LA:we made it. We have so much more to go so
Berly:much. 15th season? Yeah. So we're not even halfway through yet. But we did do a big kind of celebratory episode. And we each picked three of our favorite episodes from the entire first five seasons and a hammer of the gods was one of mine. Oh,
JET:great.
Berly:We both love and I'm so good. It's so good. In our show of our gimmick is that we talk about the lore, the gore and what we adore from each episode. And Mercury made our adore list. Oh,
JET:that's wonderful. I love it. Thank you. I usually make the creepiest of the year lists and things like that. So I'll take I'll take a door any day. Thank you.
Berly:But that was part of why we adored you. We were like they call you Norman Bates and the episode at one point, right. And it was dead on like, He's so charming and so handsome but so creepy.
JET:It's funny, you mentioned that the Norman Bates thing because I'm pretty sure I could be wrong about this. But I'm pretty sure that that was a Jensen. Improvisation. I think he just threw that in. It wasn't in the original script. So I know that and a lot of times on television, you'll have a writer on set. So maybe one of them, you know, once they saw what I was wearing, and you know what hair and makeup did with me? Maybe they told him but I don't think so I remember, my memory tells me that he improvised that just on a tape and they loved it and kept it. Oh, how
Berly:fun. I love stuff like that. Yeah. So as long as we're digging into the episode and going for stories, the first thing that I wanted to ask you about was the hotel. We're not from the industry, but one of the things I always try to do when I'm watching is okay, are they on location somewhere? Or was this built right at the hotel? It just seems so big and intricate. Do you remember were you guys on location or were you in studio, a
JET:little bit of both for the hotel. So the majority of that beautiful hotel that you saw the Elysian Fields that was done in a soundstage, the same soundstage where you would see so many other of their sets, the hallway, the rooms, that front desk area, the restaurant, all of that was done in a soundstage. Wow. But the ballroom that kind of do you remember there was sort of they called it a grand ballroom and the kitchen were done on location at an actual you know, kind of lounge. It felt like a nightclub maybe but we did it. You know, we were there during the day. I remember the day that we first got to that location. Everyone was told to sit tight we were holding because Mick G was flying up from LA to make an announcement and I think nobody knew what that meant. But he showed up to tell everyone that they'd been picked up for season six and there was a big you know, celebration and and then he got back in the car back on the plane and flew back down. So but you know, and little did they know how many seasons they would end up going.
Berly:That's funny. That's so cool.
JET:I see. Yeah, I see I brought the wrong the wrong drink to the party here. You've got
Berly:you Yes, yes, we tend to do happy hour with our recording.
JET:I love it. So I should also say that that said they did the pristine version first and then they destroyed it.
Berly:Oh wow.
JET:So it wasn't a new set. It was the same set just broken down. Overnight they did it you know we finished filming everything in the lobby then they they just tore it apart. And then the next morning we came in and it was really amazingly you know changed. That's
Berly:it's a lot of work go detailed. I honestly thought you were going to say it was on location. That was that was my guess. Just there's a scene where you're walking and Jared paddle. Lucky's character is following you and you're looking over your shoulder and that's vending machines and doors and just right I was thoroughly convinced it was all on location just seems so detailed. I
JET:don't know if you either of you have met Jared I think he's a fellow Texan. I think they bought both the boys from down there but the scene you're talking about in the hallway was a lot of fun. In fact, he and I both came into work that day just for that little bit just to walk down the hall. Neither of us were filming anything else that day. He in general has a lot of fun on set, you know I mean, I think he kind of keeps the energy up and keeps the momentum and keeps everyone laughing. The two moments where he was doing that a lot one was that scene. Honestly guys, when you come around the corner I'm just hiding behind that you know Coke machine You know, whatever that sort of we did it. It wasn't as it wasn't as sophisticated as it looked. And he would sort of they would be filming him and he would trip or he, you know, he would tumble or he would bump into the he kept saying, I'm so sorry, I can't. But of course he was just having fun. And then the other one was when my character next the cheek and get some blood from Jensen. Obviously, what we what we really did was we did nothing, I didn't move a muscle. And then you were supposed to assume that. But every time they'd roll, Jared would say, in the middle of a tank, he'd say, What did you just poke him What you didn't see. He just kept doing that. And he and Rick Botha was the director who had a great sense of humor, too. But he was like, Can we can we get one? He was like, sorry, I won't do it again. We'd reset, reroll and then, you know, we'd get to that spot. And he'd say, there's nobody else seeing that. He's like, poking him was a thing. Yeah, that was, it was a really fun set. We did that during the Olympics, which also take place. They were taking place at the time in Vancouver where the show was filmed. What they did was they set up a huge screen television just behind the set, just behind the set you're talking about. And whoever wasn't working actors or crew anybody was gathered around this thing. And then when something would happen everybody would silent cheer. It was a really surreal moment. Because you know, they're rolling. So people were going you know, I know your your listeners didn't see me but picture cheering with no sound so high fiving with no actual connecting, and
Berly:that's awesome. That's crazy. I would have messed up so many takes. If I were in that situation. I don't know how you silent cheer. Like that's awesome, though. Do you have a favorite memory from recording hammer of the gods?
JET:I mean, there were a lot of them. Richard Richard Speight, Jr. has a lot of fun. When we were at the location for that Grand Ballroom, there was a lot of waiting while they read sort of create, they had sort of redid the entire interiors, he and Keith who who played ganache, I believe they were having this fierce kind of trivia competition where they would were quizzing everybody. It was sort of like an exhaustion round where they'd say name your, you know, names bands from Atlanta, and we'd all have to be thinking of them. And then, you know, slowly, people would tap out until the last person and the two of them were so competitive about it. So, you know, you're trying to kill time when you're there. But also, I have some bad news. Like, I remember the clothes I was wearing.
Berly:I loved your little bow tie and suit. I loved it. Oh,
JET:good. I'm glad I wasn't miserable, though. No, no. I mean, they showed it to me and everybody including me loved it loved the idea. But then they you know, the, the wonderful wardrobe department there. Which by the way, when you walk in the wardrobe department, you can imagine, I know your denim wrapped nightmares, but you could be flannel plaid wrap nightmares, because it was just a sea of plaid flannel shirts as far as you can see. And they went up six levels up, and they just kept going. Anyway, the wonderful wardrobe department before they put it on me, they apologized. And they said we've tried cleaning this, it was a vintage dinner coat or something, that sort of Burgundy. And they said, we've tried washing this so many times something's still something maybe died in here. We're not really sure. And it's kind of a common thing as an actor. You can, you can sort of sense the ghosts of long dead actors who have been wearing this across the, you know, the decades that became kind of a running joke there to where they would they would leave this thing outside at night. I think I filmed 10 days on that show. They would leave it outside and they would sort of breeze it and I loved the water. In fact, I requested the Chuck Taylors they put me in they originally had me in dress shoes. And I was thinking, well, Mercury is fast, he's probably not going to be in penny loafers or something he's been so I asked for those Chuck Taylors, which I think only made it into one scene. And then, you know, just little, little things like, I don't know, just I think watching the guys watching their dynamic together and watching their relationship to the crew. I've been on a lot of sets at that point in my life. And I don't know that I had been on any that were quite so happy. You know, they really lead a lead a company of dedicated people. And there was one moment there's a teaser at the beginning where Mercury shows up and there's a security guard wandering around. And something was going on with there was a union thing where we had to shut down by a certain time and we had done a lot of other work that day on different scenes. And by the time we got to that opening teaser, Brian Brian Calvert was the actor playing the security guard. And it was a very intricate setup because if you recall, there was a lot of special effects, a lot of visual effects. There was a flower that comes back to life. There was a cracked mirror that comes back and then there was this explosion of blood on the mirror. I was
Berly:asked We're going to have a impromptu question about the blood.
JET:Oh, good. Well, maybe maybe it'll be answered here that's loaded into a cannon. They have this little sort of air cannon thing. And it's full of little bits of sponge and brain. And I don't know what was in there. But I remember they came to Brian and I, and they said, Okay, we've got a problem, the union some things, I remember what it was, but they had to shut down. They said, we've got time to do this exactly once. And once only, they put, I think, three or four cameras on us. And we only did the seating the one time, because they had to sort of pull the plug at that moment. And they said, no pressure, but it's the very first few seconds of the of the episode. I remember that actor looking at me, and he just said, he had tears in his eyes. And so we had to do kind of this thing, I grabbed him. And we sort of went into this dip below camera together, which felt a little bit like, I don't know, we were joking. It was like men's, you know, pairs skating or something, we had to sort of like, slide over, and then they shot this blood. And then thing, it was over. And nobody was sure if we got what we needed. But we were done for the day. So luckily, it turned out quite well. And I later became friends with Ivan Hayden, who was the visual effects supervisor. We work together on a thing, maybe you guys have seen it. It was a little it was a web series done. He CO produced it with Misha Collins, Ivan did, and it was called divine the series and they hired me for that. So I worked with Misha there too. But I've been told me that hammer the gods was, without a doubt, the most complicated visual effects episode they did, you know, the flower coming back to life and the crack mirror and the elephant and all the different, you know, things they put together for that.
Berly:It was done. So well, though, like this, we are watching the show for the first time, it has this timeless feel to it. Because the special effects, they don't seem to have age you go back and watch you know, I love it. I'm not talking badly about it. But Big Trouble in Little China, for example, you know, the special effects and that, clearly, that was an 80s film, you know, but just so much of what we've seen in the series thus far as age so well. And I was definitely going to ask you how did they get the blood to like, explode how it does? Yeah, it's
JET:sort of it was sort of a leaf blower feel of a thing. I know, that wasn't a leaf blower, but it was something in that world. And it just, it was set up. About 10 crew members holding it. And they said get out of the way. And then of course the camera, the camera crew had to turn and you think about you know, the people who have to pull focus and make sure that they leave our faces and go straight to that mirror and then stay in focus. It was the the actors had it quite easy in that compared to everybody else. The technical side of that was really difficult to
Berly:impress if y'all did that in one take. Yeah, I remember that's when the hotel was all dilapidated. It seemed like there was just stuff everywhere. So having to navigate around that and you guys did that in one. That's impressive. That's impressive.
JET:It was a little out of body. I remember a lot of people walking back to the parking lot afterward and saying, Did we did we do? I was like, did I say the lines? I can't remember. You know, it was just so fast now. Yeah.
Berly:So it's really cool, though. All right. Let me go back to
LA:what was the series that you did with with him? And Misha, what was that about?
JET:Yeah, it was called divine the series it I think it's still available, I think you can still see it. And Ivan created it himself and directed and wrote it. And Misha Collins came on and CO produced it spans 1000 years, you know, it's about these three characters that have known each other since kind of the Crusades and, and they travel into present day. And it was such an interesting project. It was early days of web series. You know, it was like one of the early ones. I remember I got to work with a red tail hawk in it, which was really exciting. I got to train with him. And I had this sort of Hawk on my arm for the whole thing, which was cool. And you know, there is talk sometimes of them, of them reviving that it was a great cast. And like I said, Misha was in it. Misha actually acted in it. So you should look it up divine the series. Yeah, it sounds
Berly:really interesting. I was about to ask if it's still available for us to look up and sincerely, I think there are a bunch of web series, especially the early web series, like you're talking about, that could make it as a tick tock series now. Yeah, because web series whenever that was new, I know there were so many people who just weren't comfortable with going and watching something on their computer yet, right. But now you can cast to your television. It's on social media. So that would be exciting.
JET:If you're if your listeners would like to see Misha Collins as a priest, this is your chance. Oh, yes,
Berly:Father, please. We are a fan of the priests outfits that pop up in the supernatural series. And we've been told by all of our listeners, they are fans as well. You
JET:know, a lot of maybe people don't realize I was back on Supernatural in an episode
Berly:where out there yet, so don't spoil it. We haven't. Oh, I haven't seen nevermind. But that's
LA:exciting that you come.
Berly:I'm happy to hear you come back. Yes, we were very much a fan of your performance.
JET:Well, thank you, but you won't you won't see my face. So I'll just leave it at that. Okay,
Berly:John, what do we see? Voice?
JET:Right. It's not my face, you see? No, I'll tell you what it is. It was just a simple fun thing. They remembered me wardrobe. Remember that on the exact same size as Misha. And so there was a moment where he had to be, well, I don't want to spoil too much. But there had to be two meshes. So I was one of the Oh, so I got to wear the iconic trench coat and tie and everything and spend a few days with him. You know, we had a lot of choreography. There were a couple of cameras happening at the same time. And we had to perfectly mirror each other's moves. And there was, you know, visual effects done as well. And it was fun, because a lot of the people that had been there many years earlier, I think this was season 13. I came back but a lot of people remember me, including the two leads, they kind of looked at me and said, is mercury back in this one? I don't remember that. I said, No, I'm just here to body match. Misha Collins.
Berly:No, wow, that's really cool. Well, we're going to definitely going to look up divine. Yes. Speaking of mercury coming back. One of the other things that we talked about in our season five celebratory live stream episode was how we understand that the series centers around the Winchester brothers, but LA and I have both become very attached to some of these side characters that have popped up Mercury included, and that we would love if they could do not a spin off series necessarily, but just an episode. Just give us a little bit more. I don't know if you watch American Horror Story. Yes. Yes. It's fantastic. The spin off American horror stories. Are you familiar with that? No. I
JET:don't know what is the spin off.
Berly:So the spin off goes back and we'll do a standalone episode that will focus on a specific location that was in an American Horror Story season, or a specific character that didn't get a whole lot of screen time. It'll show us more about them or give us a backstory or something.
JET:Well, that's great. Oh, I love that.
LA:Yeah,
Berly:we love it. And we've both been hearing about supernatural revivals supernatural. We've both decided we want supernatural to do that. So if they did, and there was a Mercury episode. Oh, I see. What would you want that to be?
JET:Yeah, great question. I Well, it's funny because there was some talk. At one point, I got a really nice email from Richard Speight, Jr, at some point, and he had taken some pictures of us all on set and sent them, I should actually try to find them. I'll send them to you if I find them. But he said that he had just had lunch with a bunch of the show runners and producers, and they had been talking about Mercury. At some point, somebody reached out to my agent or my manager, because mercury was a trickster in mythology, you know, I think the reason they used him to begin with is he was the patron god of travelers, and he was the person who escorted people to the underworld or the god rather. And so that made sense to have him, but they lost. So they thought at the time they lost Loki, Richard's character in the episode. I think we can do spoilers, right, because it's 15 years ago, but I'll
Berly:let you know if you're start venturing this. Okay, you we don't know if
JET:you saw this episode, though. And so you saw him sort of, yeah, electrified or
Berly:what? I don't know if you can see him, but he's actually the calendar on my wall. Oh, Richard Speight,
JET:I have to get one of those. He's really a really great guy. There was some talk briefly about having mercury and as as a trickster, or the next trickster, it didn't it didn't come to pass. Your listeners will know that. But something about that might be interesting if they did a Mercury episode, although I remember, the Valder character says, and I don't know if it made it into the episode, but it was definitely in the script. That Mercury is the one who assembled everybody, he assembled all the gods and brought them there together and arranged everything. I've always thought that couldn't have been easy for the first time to bring them all together. So maybe maybe that maybe as a side episode about what it took for him to pull all those gods together and get them in one room. Cool.
Berly:That would honestly be really cool. It's making me smile really big right now, because I just finished reading American Gods. Uh huh. And that's something that Odin does. And that story is trying to get all the gods together. I would love to see Mercury's journey of doing that, because it would be very different.
JET:It would be Yeah, it would be interesting, especially the way I guess all of us together created that version of the character, you know, he he definitely has his own way of going about it. That wouldn't be what it would be very different than Oden's I think. And
Berly:I would love to see also, you know, Mercury whenever he was pulling everybody together, he obviously was trying to go a different route than where it ended up going. I don't think he wanted a war.
JET:Yeah. And he didn't want you know, another spoiler here. He didn't want Lucifer to kill him either. So
Berly:LA was so upset, it cracks me up. Because when we were watching the episode, LA was like this mercury, he's creepy. He's this. And then whenever Lucifer killed you, he she was said, No, I like
JET:Thank you. Thank you.
Berly:Over during the episode, I
LA:kill all the people we like. Yeah, they
Berly:do. They do.
JET:But you know, it's funny. I remember. I remember a crew member saying to me, they were taking my microphone off after my last day. And he said something like, yeah, don't worry. Dying on this show is like a promotion. He said, you can come back easily. He said, we brought back so many dead people. Yes.
Berly:Mercury is a guide to so true. Yeah, surely.
JET:And you know, the I, I'm just thinking of something else we're talking about. We were talking about the blood earlier originally, in the script, it wasn't blood, it was supposed to be a strand of each of their hair. I don't know how that changed, or why I don't know what that was. So when they did, I sort of improvised that tissue moment, that kit because it wasn't in the script. But it was something on the set where they said, You know what, we're not doing hair. I don't remember who said it. But suddenly I was I was the idea was I was supposed to pluck hair off each of them. But on the day of shooting, they said to us, No, you're gonna poke him and get some blood out of him something like that.
Berly:I wonder if it has something to do with Callie because I don't remember exactly what the we've researched the lore on each of you, each of the gods. And Kelly had there was something about blood with Callie, I don't remember what it was. But maybe that's why.
JET:Well, yeah. And if you remember, if you remember, at one point, Callie makes Mercury choke and spit up blood. And that's another thing. They just changed on the moment because that was supposed to be after she gets in a fight with Ganesh. She was supposed to do that to him. I don't remember why. I still was supposed to say well, why don't we just reason with them? Or why don't we something like that. But that didn't make her angry. What made her angry was she and Ganesh fighting about making fun of each other's powers or something like that. And then she's supposed to make him choke. So this happens a lot though, on the shows, you know, they just it evolves. And when an episode becomes very popular, and I know, one of the producers wrote to me to say, shortly after we aired that it was the most popular episode of that season, which was quite nice. They become so popular. It's hard to imagine any changes, you know, like the vial of blood thing versus hair. I know it's a small detail, but for fans of the show, it's a different experience. If those little things had stayed the way they were.
Berly:Definitely. I saw that you also portrayed the god palace. I'm assuming it's pronounced like Dallas but with a P in the TV series Olympus. I haven't seen this and I saw Palace is kind of with Athena I think. But are there any other guides that you would like to portray? And why there's that
JET:show only made it one season on the Sci Fi network. So we never got to the place where these people became fully embodied. Gods I played him as a human. So it would be interesting to play him as a god that would be one. My son was telling me about a God that would be interesting to play but maybe boring to watch. knows the God of sleep. So that'd be a cool. That'd be a cool job.
Berly:Yeah, right.
JET:I don't know. Maybe not dramatically. Very exciting.
Berly:It could be dramatic. The Sandman is dramatic comic series dark right now graphic novel series based on could
JET:be it could be about nightmares. Okay, there
Berly:you go. Yeah, it could be a good villain. Yeah, for sure. Yes. It could also be a hero, because sometimes you just need an app.
JET:You're right. That's it'd be such a great superpower. Like endless sleep or something.
Berly:Yeah. I like it.
LA:What was he the God of palace?
Berly:I've never heard that one. Palace. I couldn't really figure it out. Like it seems like he was rather attached to Athena somehow. Isn't that the Goddess? The Goddess? Yeah.
JET:And boy, I'm sorry that I'm not I'm not up to I was really well versed on it when we when we made that show. I
Berly:was trying to see if I could watch it somewhere. It honestly looks really interesting. I thought it looked good.
JET:Yeah. In ours. He was the prince, the brother of the king of one of the two kings in the show. But yeah, in mythology, there were two I remember there were two Gods name palace or two, at least two figures in mythology. I'm sure some of your listeners know their mythology. Well, and they're saying, Oh, this dumb actor was butchering this but, um, but I guess I don't know the answer. Okay, sorry.
LA:I'll look it up.
Berly:I was just curious.
JET:I thought I would just, I thought I would just talk until I thought. Now that's coming. So
LA:well. We'll figure it out eventually.
Berly:So is there anything about supernatural that we haven't asked about and we should
JET:you know, there's so many I mean, I have so many memories from that nine day period and that that that show right? that experience really stuck out to me simply because of what I said earlier when we started chatting about the atmosphere on a show and you can almost always feel it the minute you get there and I remember the guys telling me the to the to Leeds talking to me and saying how this is such a cliche to say this, everybody says this about their show. And I've certainly had this experience and other shows. But this was probably the first one I was on that actually felt like a family. And I really don't think it's a mistake or kind of an accident that it became as popular as it did, and that it stayed on for as long as it did. And that it had the staying power, because there was nobody on that show that had this kind of like star, you know, there's 10 For me stuff or you know, demand the kind of stuff. Everybody was relaxed. Everybody was, was having a good time. Now, it's not to say that there weren't, you know, stressful times and like moments like that first scene that we had to get through. And you know, you'll see a crew that's close, come together and really work hard. So yeah, I just feel like it's such a cliche thing to say, but the couple of times that I worked on that show, I always left with the same feeling like wow, these, this group of people actually really loves each other. And it's, it starts with the two main guys and the show runners. I think it was true of them, that relationship, and I think it just trickled down into everyone else.
Berly:I think that's part of why they keep talking about possibly bringing it back because you can they still love it. They still go out there and promote it. They're still doing the conventions regularly. Yeah, cliche or not. I believe it.
LA:Yeah. People are crazy about it.
JET:Well, and it's one of the shows that that I you know, I don't look like mercury anymore. But it's one of the shows I still get recognized for and the fans are, yeah, are real. And they're they're just as active now as they were when the show was was airing, you know, people definitely stop me and say mercury. So yeah, so I'm really proud to have been part of that.
Berly:It was an excellent episode. Like I said, it made my top three. And it was very memorable performance. So I kept saying, I was like, I know his face. looks very familiar. Go ahead and ask him what you're wanting to know. No, no,
LA:I was I was just saying like, and so I think you I think Burley looked up your IMDB. And then she was going down the list. And I watched yellow. So I was like that. I knew. I knew that. I knew I knew that.
Berly:Yeah, so loves Yellowstone. Oh,
JET:is that right? So that means you hate my character in that one, too.
LA:You're good in it, though.
JET:Well, I'm glad you like it. Well, you know, we're hoping to go back soon and finish off season five. So hopefully, you'll you'll have some more episodes to look forward to where they're doing some
LA:spin offs of that one too, right? Yes,
JET:yeah. Some really, really great television. I don't know if either of you've had a chance to check it out. But the two prequel series that are out are really, really spectacular. And of course, the guy who's dreamed this all up is is creating other shows that aren't Yellowstone related. He's got so many great shows on right now. And he's a he's a Texan. He's a Texan like you do. I
LA:think he did. Hell or High Water too. And I love that movie. Yes.
JET:And when River and Sicario like He's really He's something else is Taylor Sheridan. So we're talking about show
Berly:creator showrunner. Both with both. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah.
JET:Does he direct and he writes, and he writes every episode. Oh, wow. Uh, he does. He does direct sometimes. I think he's quite busy. Now. I've been lucky enough to work with him on set on one episode, but I think he's, he's just got so many things going right now. It would be nice if he'd come direct another one. So let's hope so. And he is a great director. He writes every episode, so he's just one of those people, you know, who's so talented. You think Oh, my goodness. He does all these jobs. You know, and some shows it's meant it's many different people writing and other people show running and other people created it and other people directed and, and he's, by the way, else, you might know this, but he's on the show, too. He appears on camera. I
LA:think in a couple of his things. He makes an appearance, I want to say yes. Yeah, he
JET:does. So I haven't quite figured it out. I am convinced that he's triplets or something.
Berly:I was about to say that God asleep that you were mentioning earlier or must just somehow replenish him without needing to sleep is what it sounds like to me. Yes. That's yeah,
JET:look, look for the look for the upcoming series called hypnosis.
Berly:Um, so fingers crossed for mercury. Yeah.
JET:Yes. Good. I like that. Do you
Berly:have anything that you would like to promote on our episode?
JET:Once again, here's cliche extra time, but things I can't talk about but but I can talk about Yellowstone and that's something that's really front of mind for me right now because that's another show that has an incredible fan base and a lot of people waiting for episodes. You know, I talked about people recognizing me as Mercury. They definitely recognize me from Yellowstone to and most of what I get now in airport Some places like that is, when do we get more episodes? That's the main thing ever wants to know. So the plan is to have some episodes ready by, I think November for airing.
Berly:So did this strike hold you guys up at all? Absolutely.
JET:Yeah, no question both strikes. Both strikes held us back and like every show dealt with the pandemic and just there's been so much happening that has has pushed it in the Yellowstone fans are similar to the to the supernatural fans, they're patient and they're waiting. And if there if there were more supernatural episodes coming and people knew they had to wait, they would definitely wait and stay excited about Oh, yeah. So I think it's kind of kind of the same thing here.
Berly:They don't even know they're coming. They just hope they're coming. And they're being patient and waiting. In the supernatural family. Right.
JET:Yeah. I don't have any. I don't have any news about it, of course. But I have heard a few little rumblings too. Who knows, I think it's worth hope. I think the energy of people wanting more could could could have some impact on it. Yeah,
Berly:well, and just the fact that there's literally hundreds of stories they could tell that they didn't. Mercury is just a singular example where we could see what happened when he was gathering everybody.
JET:And in Cali, I would love to see now a good friend of mine, Rakesh Sharma, she did such an amazing job in that episode, and I would love to see more of that character. Oh, so many of them, though. You know, Adam Croasdale was in it. We've had there were so many great actors playing those gods. And I could I could sit, I can watch the spin off of any one of them. Right? Yep.
Berly:We agree wholeheartedly. Well, that was all the questions I had. And I'm not thinking of any I have
LA:another one. Okay, go ahead. Have you? Have you done any producing or directing? Or do you have an interest in it,
JET:I have done a little bit of producing and directing. I mostly produced and directed in theater, oh, god and film, but I have directed on camera a little bit. You know, the thing is, though, LA, it's sort of like, it's something I love doing because I'm, I'm adjacent to it so much. And I see what they do. And, but I really feel like I'm just so interested in acting that as a director, I, I would have to work really hard to be fair to the other departments because I think a great director and I've worked with many, they have a way of knowing a little bit about everything. They're good with cameras, they're good with lenses. They're good with shot structure, in theory, they're good with wardrobe, they understand fabric, they understand what photographs well, they're good with lighting, they're, you know, they're good with actors, they, they're good with story, and you know, the spoken word. So, you know, it's the kind of job that really requires us, you know, a sort of a renaissance person who has deep interest in all those areas. I love all those areas. But I have a deep interest in acting. So I find the times that I've, I've directed I've been I've really focused on that department and sort of let the others go. Yeah, I'd say yeah, that's, that's great. I love it back to the actor, you know, so. So it's not that I wouldn't want to do it again. And I certainly would. But I There are many other people out there, including some great actors who love directing that probably deserve those opportunities. So yeah,
LA:it's good that you know where your passion is. I love it. Yeah,
JET:yeah, exactly. And you tell me you guys are not part of the industry at all. Have you? Have you ever worked in?
LA:I did go to I went to college for like Film and Media Studies, but I've done nothing with. I mean,
JET:okay. It's never too late LA.
LA:I know. I know. Someday. Hopefully.
Berly:Are you still doing theater as well, John?
JET:I am. Yeah, actually, I as I just mentioned, I'm in Vancouver, which is where we shot that to do I have there's a play going on right now that I'm working on? At a theater here. That's what I'm working on these days. And then when that ends, it sounds like hopefully back down in Montana working on on Yellowstone.
Berly:I do have one more question. It's a silly question. But I'm incredibly curious. Do people call you jet?
JET:They do. Call me that. Yes. Early. They do. Yeah, my initials, je T. My mother doesn't but
Berly:other people do for sure. We were talking earlier about how excited we were to talk to you. And I was just like, I wish my initials spelled something cool.
LA:Yeah, I like it.
JET:That's pretty cool. And oddly, it took me years to figure that I wasn't the first person who called me that. And I was like, what are they? I mean, I wasn't sort of, you know, a grown up or anything, but I was, I don't know, a teenager or something before it even occurred to me. Isn't that odd?
LA:Think about it until somebody like points it out. You know, I
JET:guess I really maybe I was just slow to the, to the uptake, but I didn't it didn't occur to me when I was younger. But you can call me that. Okay. Great.
Berly:Thank you. Thank you. Well, this was great. You had some wonderful stories and again, definitely a top 10 out of the gate. Stars performance. Oh yeah, eyes. Oh, my thank you. I felt like you just you hit everything. Well, that's really nice
JET:to hear, especially from fans of the show. That means a lot. So I thank you for saying that
Berly:they have amazing guest stars. They really Yeah, but just Mercury just stuck out to me. Yeah, I just really enjoy that.
JET:Well, that's really nice. I'm glad I'm glad. And hopefully he creeped you out a little too.
Berly:Little, just enough, just enough he was he was creepy in the beginning. But like I said, by the time Lucifer was snapping your neck, we both were like No. Don't do that. Good. Good. So yes, he wants you over those. Yeah.
JET:Thank you guys very much. This was a pleasure and congrats on this podcast and Congrats on getting through season five. Oh my goodness, we
Berly:made it. We again, we still have a long way to go. Yeah. And we'll get to see everything but your face in a later episode.
LA:I know. I'm excited. Everything
JET:about me. Everything with my face. Well, now when we see
Berly:we will we'll give you a shout out when we get there.
JET:Thanks very much, you guys and I hope you enjoy all the upcoming episodes.
Berly:Such a lovely man loved him. I had to control my impulses as soon as he brought up Richard Speight, Jr. to not ask 500 questions, like you had a bunch of questions that you weren't asking because they weren't necessarily related to supernatural. I had a bunch of questions. I wasn't asking because I was like, I don't need to just ask him 500 things about Richard Speight Jr.
LA:Oh, he seemed to really like him, though. Yeah, he was a great guy.
Berly:I mean, I assume he was serious whenever he said he would like a wall calendar, just like so knowing that I have So Theresa, I'm gonna need another wall calendar to thank Mr. Tracy for his time. Yeah.
LA:He was lovely. I very much enjoyed hearing him talk about everything.
Berly:I did, too. And he's hot. I liked this beer. I liked it. Yeah. I loved the mercury. Like, don't get me wrong, right. If I'm gonna pick a look, today's look. Agreed was very nice.
LA:And he's like, I don't look much like mercury anymore. I'm like, yes, yes, you do.
Berly:You're still not age. Exactly the same. It's the same. It's been almost 20 years. Yeah, it looks the exact same. Yeah, I did. The other thing I had to hold myself back on is when we were talking about the blood cannon. And I always said, Oh, splurged splurge. We don't we don't assume that jet has listened to them wrap nightmares episodes, he might not be prepared for those conversations and appropriately. But it was a delight. Yeah. Thank you again. Mr. Tracy. Thank you. We look forward to seeing all your other things in a future episode. Right.
LA:Maybe we'll speak again later down the line. Like
Berly:I have questions still,
LA:you know, I'm just saying let's call him back just need his calming energy.
Berly:He's just chill. He was chilled. He's
LA:just so chill. And just he almost was ethereal. Yeah, like I need his energy and
Berly:my like, it's appropriate that he keeps getting cast as gods. He's just very ethereal and like has a strong presence. Yes. Not intimidating or forceful.
LA:That's perfection. Yeah. Like I you know, me like I'm uncomfortable with these kinds of things. Yes. But he was just so lovely. His energy is unlike anything I've really met before and just all over a zoom call. How telling us that over a zoom call that we could feel that presence. And just that like we were in a comfort level to be speaking with him. Especially me, because I'm yeah, I'm intimidated by everything.
Berly:I want to go see him in a play. Me
LA:too. Yeah, like he was just lovely. I can't think of any other word but that's that probably doesn't even describe him properly. But
Berly:I think love is love these pretty accurately. It was lovely. And I need that energy in my life here that John Well, quote, close it out. Is that scene that they had to get done in one freaking take? We have the security guard entering the dilapidated hotel, he says, Hello. A loud bang startles the security guard. They see turns around suddenly he gasps and there's a dark figure in the dark figure
LA:mercury. Hi, yeah, buddy.
Berly:You can't be here.
LA:dark figure. Mercury says, Of course I can. Someone's gotta get everything ready. They're coming. All of them. And we've got our part to play. Even you. Security Guard says what? dark figure says your dinner.
Berly:A security guard goes before a blood splurge on the mirror. Uh oh so fun cheer. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
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